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NOTE BY NL
have split this off from the Rosannah Baker thread
(sorry it was Baker not Barker my mistake...but will alter on Bcc)

We can run with the Portmann side on this one to keep the threads simple
Pete can any of this be added or connected on the portmans?

(Extracted from IGI)
EDWARD BAKER ANN PORTMAN
Marriage: 04 JUN 1827 Kingswinford, Stafford

If we want to run with the Bakers please open a new thread


mallosa wrote:1861: Northfield Road
Edward Baker 52 Head Iron Furnace Keeper
Ann Baker 48 Wife Nailmaker
Sarah Ann Baker 17 Dau Nailmaker
Jane Baker 15 Dau Nailmaker
Hannah Baker 12 Dau Nailmaker
Sophia Portman 4 Niece
John Baker 48 Lodger U Forge Labourer (poss brother of Edward?)
(all born Dudley, Worcester)

Son Adam and wife living next door....

Adam Baker 21 Head Iron Furnace Man Dudley
Sarah Ann Baker 20 Wife Dudley

Poss Marriage 1859
BAKER Adam PIPER Sarah A Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/003/435

Have requested a look up on this marriage



sophia portman 1881 ?

1881 No 33 Cradley Rd Dudley, Worcester

Solomon PORTMAN Head 50 Netherton, Worcester, Ale Merchant
Esther PORTMAN Wife 30 Netherton, Worcester, Wife
Sophia PORTMAN 24 Netherton, Worcester,
Esther PORTMAN 3 Netherton, Worcester,
Emily PORTMAN 1 Netherton, Worcester,




poss first marriage but who ?

Marriages Jun 1851

Bryan Thomas Stourbridge 18 629
Coley Hannah Stourbridge 18 629
Cooper Caroline Stourbridge 18 629
Fletcher Sophia Stourbridge 18 629
Haycock Charles Stourbridge 18 629
Portman Solomon Stourbridge 18 629
Westwood Jane Stourbridge 18 629
Whitehouse Reuben Stourbridge 18 629
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mallosa wrote:I wonder......could this be them?

Baker on the actual image on Ancestry

1851: Northfield Road, Dudley, Staffordshire
Edward Baker 44 Head M Labourer Salop
Ann Baker 40 Wife Nailer
Edward Baker 16 Son Labourer
John Baker 12 Son Engineer
Adam Baker 11 Son ditto?
Rosannah Baker 9 Dau ditto?
Sarah A Baker 7 Dau ditto?
Jane Baker 5 Dau ditto?
Hannah Baker 2 Dau ditto?
Solomon Baker 10 Mo Son
(others born Dudley, Worcester)

The next three households are all Portmans
Wit at Rosannah and Samuels marriage - Henry Lee or Lea can`t tell if an a or e and Ann Maria Portman X



poss marriage

EDWARD BAKER
ANN PORTMAN
Marriage: 04 JUN 1827 Kingswinford, Stafford,
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1841 northfield rd

James Portman 50 nailer
Hannah Portman 50
Edward Portman 15
Solomon Portman 13
Samuel Portman 11

looks like same house

Joseph Portman 18
Ann Portman 18
Rosanna Portman 1 Mo

all born county

next but one

1841 northfield rd

James Portman 25 miner
Sarah Portman 25
James Portman 5
Rosanna Portman 3
Sarah Portman 1


1851 as san say next to baker

1851 Northfield rd

Joseph Portman 29 coal miner
Ann Portman 27
Elizabeth Portman 9 months

all born dudley

1851 Northfield rd

Hannah Portman 65
Edward Portman 74 (24 son on image) labourer
Solomon Portman 22 nailer

all born dudley

1851 Northfield rd

Sarah Portman 35 wid rowley regis
Rosannah Portman 14
James Portman 12 nailer
Sarah A Portman 9 chainmaker
Elizabeth Portman 7
Thos James Portman 6

rest born dudley
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Re: Rosannah Barker 1841

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peterd wrote:sophia portman 1881 ?

1881 No 33 Cradley Rd Dudley, Worcester

Solomon PORTMAN Head 50 Netherton, Worcester, Ale Merchant
Esther PORTMAN Wife 30 Netherton, Worcester, Wife
Sophia PORTMAN 24 Netherton, Worcester,
Esther PORTMAN 3 Netherton, Worcester,
Emily PORTMAN 1 Netherton, Worcester,


poss first marriage but who ?

Marriages Jun 1851

Bryan Thomas Stourbridge 18 629
Coley Hannah Stourbridge 18 629
Cooper Caroline Stourbridge 18 629
Fletcher Sophia Stourbridge 18 629
Haycock Charles Stourbridge 18 629
Portman Solomon Stourbridge 18 629
Westwood Jane Stourbridge 18 629
Whitehouse Reuben Stourbridge 18 629


Could this be them...

1861: High Street West, Harborne, Staffordshire
Soloman Portman 33 Head Blacksmith Netherton, Worcester
Sophia Portman 33 Wife Netherton, Worcester
James Edward Portman 9 Son Netherton, Worcester
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solomon Portman on image

1891 Cradley ? Dudley

Soloman Vortman 60 brewer Agent
Esther Vortman 40
Sopiha Vortman 33
Esther Vortman 13
Emily Vortman 11
Watter Stanly Vortman 4
Alice Matilda Vortman 11/12

all born netherton
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Pete, I think we have that Solomon Portmans family already on BCC

can't show the link at the mo cos it's playing up :?
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Here it is - ...Solomon Portman
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1871; 35 cradley rd, Dudley

Soloman Portman 42 Nail forger
Sophia Portman 42
James E Portman 19 labourer in iron works
Returah A Portman 16 daug domestic worker

all born dudley
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mallosa wrote:Here it is - ...Solomon Portman



there quite a few of james and hannah kids wonder if we can trace that ann maria down thats is witness ?
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peterd wrote:sophia portman 1881 ?

1881 No 33 Cradley Rd Dudley, Worcester

Solomon PORTMAN Head 50 Netherton, Worcester, Ale Merchant
Esther PORTMAN Wife 30 Netherton, Worcester, Wife
Sophia PORTMAN 24 Netherton, Worcester,
Esther PORTMAN 3 Netherton, Worcester,
Emily PORTMAN 1 Netherton, Worcester,



Poss
2nd Marriage 1877
PARTMAN Solomon LYMER Esther Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/011/12

Have requested a look up on this one too
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West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1872
PORTMAN Sophia Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/069/468

West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1875
PORTMAN Sophia Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/076/450
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Thanks for your help Peterd :wink: ...here's the link

Added a lot of info but gonna hold fire on the Portmans for now - I'll add more when marriages are confirmed (that's my way of saying I've had enough for tonight) :lol:
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ANN PORTMAN
Christening: 10 MAR 1811 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

Father: JAMES PORTMAN
Mother: ANN


sibling ?

JAMES PORTMAN

Father: JAMES PORTMAN
Mother: ANN

Adult Christening: 26 JUL 1807 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Age at Adult Christening: 22

poss marriage ?

JAMES PORTMAN
HANNAH SMITH
Marriage: 07 APR 1806 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester


same time as james but no age ?

WILLM. PORTMAN
Christening: 26 JUL 1807 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,


Father: JAMES PORTMAN
Mother: ANN


same family ?

THOMAS PORTMAN

Christening: 18 DEC 1808 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Age at Christening: 14

Father: JAMES PORTMAN
Mother: HANH.



EDWARD PORTMAN
Christening: 24 DEC 1797 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,


Father: JAMES PORTMAN
Mother: HANNAH

same day

BETSEY PORTMAN
Christening: 24 DEC 1797 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,

Father: JAMES PORTMAN
Mother: HANNAH


poss parents of the above

JAMES PORTMAN
HANNAH FORREST
Marriage: 29 DEC 1778 St Thomas Church, Dudley, Worcester
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Re: Rosannah Barker 1841

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1841 northfield rd

James Portman 25 miner
Sarah Portman 25
James Portman 5
Rosanna Portman 3
Sarah Portman 1



first james married sarah billingham we have

JAMES PORTMAN
SARAH BILLINGHAM
Marriage: 10 MAR 1834 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester

but did his son marry a smart ? Put on for look up

JAMES PORTMAN
ROSEANNA SMART
Marriage: 18 JUN 1866 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester
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JAMES PORTMAN
ROSEANNA SMART
Marriage: 18 JUN 1866 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester



poss James age slightly out ? for son of james (46)


1881 21 High St, Dudley, Worcester,

James PORTMAN 36 Netherton, Worcester, Coal Miner
Rosannah PORTMAN 33 Netherton, Worcester, Nail Maker
Thomas PORTMAN 14 Netherton, Worcester, Errand Boy
Joseph PORTMAN 10 Netherton, Worcester, Scholar


poss rosannah

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