*Arc tbc* --John Prince and family.....

[Jimmy]

Deaths Sep 1876.
Fudge William, 25, Dudley. 6c. 10.

West Midlands Death 1876.
FUDGE William, Rowley Regis. Sandwell Register Office. RR/34/245.

[Jimmy]

1851. Gloucestershire.
James Fudge 36. Coal miner. Dorset.
Fanny Fudge 36. Oldland, Gloucs.
Samuel Fudge 4. Oldland, Gloucs.
Ann Fudge 1. Oldland, Gloucs.
Worthy Biggs 22. Labourer.

[Northern Lass]

PRINCE, John Head Married M 62 1819 Engine Driver At A Colly
Netherton
Worcestershire
PRINCE, Hannah Wife Married F 58 1823
Old Hill
Staffordshire
PRINCE, Samuel Son Single M 33 1848 No Situation
Old Hill
Staffordshire
PRINCE, Ann M Daughter Single F 31 1850 Nailer
Old Hill
Staffordshire
PRINCE, William T Son Single M 27 1854 Engine Driver At A Colly
Old Hill
Staffordshire
PRINCE, John Son Single M 24 1857 Labourer At An Iron Works
Old Hill
Staffordshire
PRINCE, Hannah J Daughter Single F 18 1863 Nailer
Old Hill
Staffordshire
PRINCE, Emily Daughter Single F 15 1866 Nailer
Old Hill
Staffordshire
PRINCE, Fanny Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Old Hill
Staffordshire
Address:
249, Halesowen Rd, Rowley Regis County: 1881
Staffordshire

This could be the same one, but under Price.

1851. Rowley Regis.
Mary Smith 61. Head.
John Price 31.Logder. Miner. born Dudley.
Hannah Price 28. Wife.
Samuel Price 3. Son.
Ann M Price 2. Dau.
Benjamin Hubble 13. Lodger.
Mercy Hubble 8. Lodger.

So it is Smith then Hannah smith
got to be for the marriage
what do you think?

[Annie]

Yes I think it's Smith by the 1851 census they were staying with Mary Smith , they just made it harder with putting lodgers instead of daughter and son-in-law.I have added the 1861 census and rest of childrem.

Annie

[Jimmy]

If those are the same family then it looks to me it is Smith.

[Jimmy]

1841. Rowley Regis.
Mary Smith 50.
William Smith 20.
Hannah Smith 18.
Peter Smith 15.
Ann Smith 11.

[Northern Lass]

Yes I think it's Smith by the 1851 census they were staying with Mary Smith , they just made it harder with putting lodgers instead of daughter and son-in-law.I have added the 1861 census and rest of childrem.

Annie

thanks Annie

so is this all that Jimmy found on the census for the fudges and Princes on?

I got a roast to cook!

[Northern Lass]

can we add that Hannah smith marriage in then pls if you got time
and Hannahs mother

[Annie]

Yes will add the rest of info that Jinny found.

Annie

[Northern Lass]

1851. Gloucestershire.
James Fudge 36. Coal miner. Dorset.
Fanny Fudge 36. Oldland, Gloucs.
Samuel Fudge 4. Oldland, Gloucs.
Ann Fudge 1. Oldland, Gloucs.
Worthy Biggs 22. Labourer.

So if that is William age 18 on the 1871 with wid mother Fanny this must be his birth

Births Sep 1853
FUDGE William John Gloster 6a 213

but how do we know that that is our William that marries Ann m Prince?

is the marriage down for look up
or was there another clue somewhere
cos the 1876 death is b abt 1850 and there is one b Tipton

I am not sure James and Fanny are his parents ie one that married ann m Prince
wot do we think?

[Annie]

1851. Gloucestershire.
James Fudge 36. Coal miner. Dorset.
Fanny Fudge 36. Oldland, Gloucs.
Samuel Fudge 4. Oldland, Gloucs.
Ann Fudge 1. Oldland, Gloucs.
Worthy Biggs 22. Labourer.

So if that is William age 18 on the 1871 with wid mother Fanny this must be his birth

Births Sep 1853
FUDGE William John Gloster 6a 213
but how do we know that that is our William that marries Ann m Prince?
is the marriage down for look up
or was there another clue somewhere
cos the 1876 death is b abt 1850 and there is one b Tipton
I am not sure James and Fanny are his parents ie one that married ann m Prince
wot do we think?

Not added the above census because I don't feel it's anything to do with the Fanny Fudge I have been adding , Fudge was her maiden name.

Annie

[Jimmy]

Looks like Fanny's Granny.

1871. Netherton.
Fanny Fudge 60. W. Head.
Ann Fudge 21. Dau.
William Fudge 18. Son. Coal miner. born Bristol.
Jane Fudge 4. Dau. born Netherton.

Others born Bristol.

I think this Fanny Fudge proves it, how many Fanny fudges are there around, Its likely that William named Fanny after his mother.

The William born in Tipton born in 1851 is with his mother Elizbuth in 1881 in Tipton.

[Jimmy]

1881.
Elizbuth PLIMNER Moth (Head) W Female 54 Cosley, Stafford, England ((Lives With Family))
William FUDGE Son U Male 30 Tipton, Stafford, England Coal Miner
Sarah PLIMNER Daur U Female 24 Tipton, Stafford, England
Benjamin PLIMNER Son U Male 22 Tipton, Stafford, England Coal Miner
Alfred PLIMNER Son U Male 15 Tipton, Stafford, England Coal Miner
Edward PLIMNER Son U Male 14 Tipton, Stafford, England Coal Miner

103 - 104 Dudley Port.
Tipton, Stafford.

[Jimmy]

1851. Gloucestershire.
James Fudge 36. Coal miner. Dorset.
Fanny Fudge 36. Oldland, Gloucs.
Samuel Fudge 4. Oldland, Gloucs.
Ann Fudge 1. Oldland, Gloucs.
Worthy Biggs 22. Labourer.

Looks like Fanny's Granny.

1871. Netherton.
Fanny Fudge 60. W. Head. Bristol.
Ann Fudge 21. Dau. born Bristol.
William Fudge 18. Son. Coal miner. Bristol.
Jane Fudge 4. Dau. born Netherton.

Others born Bristol.

I think these 2 are the same family. Oldland and Bristol are very close together.

[Jimmy]

Deaths Jun 1880.
Fudge Fanny, 66. Dudley. 6c. 56.