UPDATE look up for PD! --Rose Zillah Parkes and Allen Family

[mumbles]

Whilst researching Allen family I came across a number of puzzles:-
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... #moreinfo_

If one looks at Census details James Allen is missing in 1841 and 1861 and marries a Mary R. ( no record found) and appears

on 1871 Census with her and children.

in 1881 children are with Stepfather Benjamin Johnson and mother has reverted to Rebecca christian name

1881 Census 80 Gosty Hill Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Benjamin Johnson Head 37 Lab.in Brickyard
Rebecca Johnson wife 43 born Halesowen Worcs.
Christian J. Allen step son 17 Nail Maker
Lavinia Allen step dau 11 Scholar
Louis Allen step dau ( * actually step son and is male on 1871 Census) 11 Scholar
Dorcas Allen step dau 9
Sara Johnson dau 0
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.

Mary R. Allen married Benjamin Johnson in St. Giles RR 1880

In 1891 Census Rebecca reverts to Mary R. again Louis who is male is shown as stepdaughter ( on 1911 Census is definitely male)

Who is Mary R. or Rebecca before marriage to James Allen

Where was James in missing Census 1841 and 1861( possibly in Jail in 1861)

Grandaughter Roseila Parkes on 1871 Census is a puzzle as on birth record is shown as Rose L.
but on marriage record to Henry Hiscocks in St.John Halesowen 1887 she is shown as RoseZillah or Rosezilla Parkes
In 1891 They are Living with Willam And Ann Allen and she is noted as grand dau Rose Zillah Hiscocks
In 1911 she is Rose Zillah Hiscocks (wid)

From this info Rose Zillah must be daughter of one of William And Ann's daughters.
but I cannot find a daughter marrying a Parkes. Eliza Allen born 1844,Rebecca born 1847,Ann born 1851 and Dorcas born 1853 are candidates

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Marriage 1857.
ALLEN James, TROMANS Mary R. Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office. 003/006/76.

[Jimmy]

1851. Halesowen.
Jason Troman 37.
Ann Troman 37.
Felix Troman 17.
William Troman 15.
Rebecca Troman 13.
Ann Tromans 9.
Jason Troman 5.
Reuben Troman 3.
Abigail Troman 10 Mo.

[Jimmy]

Possible for James.

Marriages Sep 1856.
Allen James. Dudley. 6c. 118.
Binnal Elizabeth. Dudley. 6c. 118.
EVANS George. Dudley. 6c. 118.
WALLETT Honor. Dudley. 6c. 118.

West Midlands Marriage 1856.
ALLEN James, WALLETT Honor, Rowley Regis, St Giles. Sandwell Register Office. 18/2/327.

1861. Rowley Village.
James Allen 25. born Rowley.
Honor Allen 24. Oldbury.
John Allen 4. Oldbury.
Mary Ann Allen 1. Rowley.

[peterd]

poss this one as ann allen not on 1871 census and g daug 3 so this would fit

PARKES Joseph ALLEN Ann 1867 Halesowen, St John the Baptist West Midlands Dudley Register Office 014/003/302

[mumbles]

Thanks Jimmy and Peterd.
I think Mary Rebecca Tromans is already on:-
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

[peterd]

here this is submitted


ANN ALLEN
Father: WILLIAM ALLEN

JOSEPH PARKES
Father: PHILEMON PARKES

Marriage: 16 DEC 1867 Halesowen, Worcester, England

Husband Age at Marriage: 20
Wife Age at Marriage: 18

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Birth 1867.
PARKES Rose L, Halesowen, Dudley Register Office. HAL/026/411.

Births Mar 1868.
Parkes Rose Zilla, Stourbridge, 6c . 165.

[peterd]

1851 coombs lane, the hill, halesowen

Mark Parkes 58 nailer, rowley
Anne Parkes 59 nailer, birmingham
Philemon Parkes 22 son , Labourer, the hill
Jane Parkes 23 daugh in law, nailer, the hill
Joseph Parkes 3 g son, the hill
Sarah Anne Parkes 1 g daugh, the hill

poss bcc ?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =115405090


2 houses up

1851 coombs lane, the hill, halesowen

Noah Parkes 45 Nailer, The Hill
Hannah Parkes 45 Nailer, Rowley
William Parkes 18 Nailer, The Hill
Emma Parkes 15 Nailer, The Hill
Samuel Parkes 13 Nailer, The Hill
Sarah Parkes 9, The Hill
Henry Parkes 7, The Hill


next door to them

1851 coombs lane, the hill, halesowen

Anne Parkes Wid, 73 Farmer of 3 acres birmingham

this is ann who married mark parkes the above two are her sons

[Jimmy]

Could this be the one who married a Parkes.

1861 Census Coombes Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
William Allen Head 45 Pit Bank Labourer born Stratford Warks.
Ann Allen wife 44 Nailer born Warwick Warks.
Samuel Allen son 22 Stone Miner
Rebecca Allen dau 15 Nailer
Jacob Allen son 12 Scholar
Ann Allen 10 dau Scholar
Dorcas Allen dau 8 Scholar
Adah Allen dau 4 Scholar born Gosty Hill Worcs.
Rest born Rowley Regis.

West Midlands Marriage 1867.
PARKES Joseph, ALLEN Ann. Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office. 014/003/302.
PARKES Thomas, ALLEN Mary A. Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office. 014/003/305.

[peterd]

this lot submitted ancestrial files


Joseph PARKES
Birth: 15 Jan 1848 Gosty Hill, Rowley Regis, Staffs,
Christening: 4 Feb 1848 Halesowen, Worcestershire,
Death: 12 Sep 1869 Gosty Hill, Rowley Regis, Staffs,



Parents
Father: Philemon PARKES
Mother: Jane TINSLEY (TILDSLEY, TILLEY, HAC

Spouse: Anne ALLEN
Marriage: 16 Dec 1867, Halesowen, Worcs,





extracted

JOSEPH PARKES
Christening: 09 FEB 1848 Halesowen, Worcester,



Father: PHILEMON PARKES
Mother: JANE


poss siblings

SELINA PARKES
Christening: 22 FEB 1865 Halesowen, Worcester,

RICHARD PARKES
Christening: 31 MAR 1861 Halesowen, Worcester,

SARAH ANN PARKES
Christening: 24 FEB 1850 Halesowen, Worcester,

JANE PARKES
Christening: 24 APR 1859 Halesowen, Worcester,

PHILEMON PARKES
Christening: 27 MAY 1855 Halesowen, Worcester,

ANN PARKES
Christening: 29 SEP 1867 Halesowen, Worcester,

EDWIN PARKES
Christening: 16 DEC 1846 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 27 FEB 1847

ELIZAS HENRY PARKES
Christening: 27 NOV 1870 Halesowen, Worcester,

HENRY PARKES
Christening: 29 FEB 1852 Halesowen, Worcester,

1871 Gosty hill, Rowley Regis

Philemon Parkes 40 labourer
Jane Parkes 42
Sarah A Parkes 21 Nail maker
Philemon Parkes 16, Tube Trade
Jane Parkes 12 Nail maker
Richard Parkes 10
Selina Parkes 7
Ann Parkes 5
Elizah H Parkes 6 months

all born RR



1881 Cottage The Hill, Worcester

Philimon PARKES 54 Coombs Lane Halesowen, Worcester, Labourer
Jane PARKES 54 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Maker
Jane PARKES 22 Gosty Hill, Stafford, Nail Maker
Richard PARKES 20 Gosty Hill, Stafford, Screwer Of Tubes
Selina PARKES 17 Gosty Hill, Stafford,
Annie PARKES 15 Gosty Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Elijah PARKES 10 Gosty Hill, Stafford, Scholar

[peterd]

submitted


Philemon PARKES
Birth: ABOUT 1831 Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England
Christening: 15 Apr 1827 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Death: 4 Dec 1896 Halesowen, Worcester, England
Burial: 9 Dec 1896 Halesowen, Worcester,

Parents
Father: Mark PARKES
Mother: Ann

Marriage(s)
Spouse: Jane TINSLEY (TILDSLEY, TILLEY, HAC
Marriage: 3 May 1846 , Clent, Worcs,



extracted

PHILEMON PARKES
JANE TINGELEY
Marriage: 03 MAY 1846 Clent, Worcester



1841 Gorsty Hill RR
Mark Parkes 45 nailer y
Ann Parkes 45 y
Mark Parkes 20 y
Philiman Parkes 10 y (10 on image ?)



1851 coombs lane, the hill, halesowen

Mark Parkes 58 nailer, rowley
Anne Parkes 59 nailer, birmingham
Philemon Parkes 22 son , Labourer, the hill
Jane Parkes 23 daugh in law, nailer, the hill
Joseph Parkes 3 g son, the hill
Sarah Anne Parkes 1 g daugh, the hill


1861 coombs lane, the hill, halesowen

Mark Parkes 68 Nailer, the Hill
Ann Parkes 69 Birmingham


1871 coombs cottage, the hill, halesowen

Mark Parkes 80 labourer, The Hill
Ann Parkes 81 Birmingham




extracted

PHILEMON PARKES
Christening: 15 APR 1827 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: MARK PARKES
Mother: ANN


poss siblings

mark and ann

RICHARD PARKES
Christening: 16 JUN 1813 Halesowen, Worcester,

JEMIMA PARKES
Christening: 18 SEP 1822 Halesowen, Worcester,

poss marriage

PARKES Jemima MOORE James 1845 Stourbridge Register Office West Midlands Dudley Register Office 001/001/37

MARY ANN PARKES
Christening: 18 SEP 1822 Halesowen, Worcester,

HENRY PARKES
Christening: 18 SEP 1822 Halesowen, Worcester,

MARK PARKES
Christening: 18 SEP 1822 Halesowen, Worcester,
bcc
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =251383524

ZOFA PARKES
Christening: 20 JAN 1833 Halesowen, Worcester,



mark and hannah

CATHERINE PARKES
Christening: 26 FEB 1837 Halesowen, Worcester,

SAMUEL PARKES
Christening: 24 DEC 1828 Halesowen, Worcester,

MARY ANN PARKES
Christening: 31 MAR 1844 Halesowen, Worcester,

[peterd]

submitted

Mark PARKES
Birth: 1792, Rowley Regis, Staffs, England
Christening: 15 Aug 1792, Halesowen, Worcs, England
Death: 14 Jan 1876 Hill, Halesowen, Worcs, England
Burial: 17 Jan 1876, Halesowen, Worcs, England

Parents
Father: Samuel PARKES
Mother: Sarah SMITH


Marriage(s)
Spouse: Ann
Marriage: Abt 1812


extracted

MARK PARKES
NANCY BOLTON
Marriage: 05 AUG 1812 Clent, Worcester

(poss right one)

and

MARK PARKES
HANNAH HARRIS
Marriage: 05 AUG 1828 Clent, Worcester

(poss the 3 christening mark and hannah)


and

MARK PARKES
ANN PARKES
Marriage: 07 NOV 1841 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester

(poss to late or 2nd marriage or poss son ?)


extracted

MARK PARKES
Christening: 15 AUG 1792 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: SAMUEL PARKES
Mother: SARAH


poss siblings

JOHN PARKES
Christening: 01 JAN 1786 Halesowen, Worcester,

JOEL PARKES
Christening: 26 JAN 1783 Halesowen, Worcester,

WILLIAM PARKES
Christening: 27 FEB 1791 Halesowen, Worcester,

MARY PARKES
Christening: 20 APR 1794 Halesowen, Worcester,

DAVID PARKES
Christening: 15 JAN 1797 Halesowen, Worcester,

PHOEBE PARKES
Christening: 23 MAR 1788 Halesowen, Worcester,

ZECHARIAH PARKES
Christening: 29 SEP 1799 Halesowen, Worcester,

NOAH PARKES
Christening: 02 DEC 1789 Halesowen, Worcester,

HANNAH PARKES
Christening: 26 MAR 1826 Halesowen, Worcester, (bit late this one ?)

[peterd]

Submitted


Samuel PARKES
Birth: 1754
Christening: 24 Feb 1754 Cakemore, Halesowen, Worcs, England
Burial: 9 Feb 1817 Hill, Halesowen, Worcs, England



Marriage(s)
Spouse: Sarah SMITH
Marriage: 1 Oct 1781, Halesowen, Worcs,



now to prove it all


poss

extracted

SAMUEL PARKES
Christening: 24 FEB 1754 Halesowen, Worcester,

Father: JOHN PARKES
Mother: SARAH


poss siblings


BETTEY PARKES
Christening: 10 JAN 1747 Halesowen, Worcester,

SAMUEL PARKES
Christening: 24 FEB 1754 Halesowen, Worcester,

PHEBE PARKES
Christening: 20 FEB 1757 Halesowen, Worcester,

[Maths girl]

now to prove it all

Peterd - I've lost track on this one - what are you trying to prove? Can you summarize where you are?