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WARREN Joseph, EDWARDS Mary

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I am trying to fine information on Joseph Warren and Mary Edwards. On one census Mary is listed with the surname HOOPER, I am not sure if that was her 2nd married name.
Joseph and Mary had 5 children Kate, Annie, Charles, William and Joseph. Charles is my Great Grandfather. Charles Warren, arrived in Australia about 1887, and was born 12-1-1872 in Grantham, England which was on his marriage and death certificate (but I have since found out that he was not born in Grantham). Charles married Constance Lillie Baldwin b 10-10-1881 Southampton, Hampshire married in Australia on 14-2-1900, they had not met in England. There is a theory that Charles immigrated to Australia (age 15) because he could not get on with this stepfather. I am trying to find where Charles was born so I can order a birth certificate and also what happened to the siblings and his parents. I am new to this forum so hope this request is OK. :!:
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I can help fairly quickly..if you give me a little bit more info.

Have you got a census where Joseph and Mary and a couple of the children are in the same household.

Just give me the year and county....

What census does Mary appear as a Hooper?
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I assume that Charle's marriage was in Toowoomba in Queensland?

Do you know if he came over as an assisted immigrant? i.e Have you found the ships manifest?

His parents got married in Frome in Somerset in 1857?
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Sandra wrote:There is a theory that Charles immigrated to Australia (age 15) because he could not get on with this stepfather. I am trying to find where Charles was born so I can order a birth certificate and also what happened to the siblings and his parents. I am new to this forum so hope this request is OK. :!:


Is this a possible for Charles prior to emmigration?

1881 16 Orchard St Daventry
William Carvell 60
Susana Carvell 58
Eliza Carvell 21
Sophia Carvell 19
Emily Carvell 18
Frederick Carvell 13
Charles Warren 9, born Daventry, Lodger, scholar
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Sandra wrote: Joseph and Mary had 5 children Kate, Annie, Charles, William and Joseph. :


Did the family really split up a lot?
1871 Lenton
Henry Holmes 31
Maria Holmes 30
Annie Warren 2 Nurse child

1881 3 Mart Yard, Lenton Nottinghamshire
Henry Holmes 40
Maria Holmes 40
Fred Geo. Holmes 8
Albert B. Holmes 6
Annie Warren 12 niece

1881 34 Mill Gate Newark
William Huskinson 37
Ann Huskinson 37
Louisa Huskinson 12
Kate Warren 10 adopted daughter
Fanny Barlow 15
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Did Charles work on the railways when in QUeensland?
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Yes... does that help. Where do I go to find out more. Thank you
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Yes to which of the above questions?

About the railways?

About the splitting of the family?

Can you can tell me when she appeared as a Hooper?

We just need one or two clues and we are pretty good at finding lots of information.
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There is a Charles Warren and Charles T Warren working with the Queensland Railways for many years.

I can give you the index information for their entries in the Queensland Railway Employees 1889-1940 index.

From those you can look up thier individual records which details their career.


There is also a Charles Warren in the Police Gazette in 1890 charges with larceny......

He is also in all the Poll Books and the Post Office Directories....

I am sure we can find out lots of good thing in the UK as well.
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MarkCDodd wrote:I assume that Charle's marriage was in Toowoomba in Queensland?

Do you know if he came over as an assisted immigrant? i.e Have you found the ships manifest?

His parents got married in Frome in Somerset in 1857?


Yes, Charles married in Toowoomba, Queensland.
He was not an assisted immigrant, his mum Mary gave him warm clothes and 10 pennies he jumped onboard a ship believing it was going to Canada but it came to Australia. He hid for 4 days and then revealed himself to the crew and then worked on board until he arrived in Aust.
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[quote="MarkCDodd"]Yes to which of the above questions?

About the railways?

About the splitting of the family?

Can you can tell me when she appeared as a Hooper?

We just need one or two clues and we are pretty good at finding lots of information.[/quote
Ok, I did not expect so much information so soon. Yes he did work in Queensland on the railways.
With regard to the splitting of the family, I don't know... I have not been able to find any of the other siblings, I am only guessing but they may have all split up because their mother married again, but I am not sure. Charles would not speak of his parents once he came to Australia.
I am trying to remember where the Hooper name came into the picture but I cannot pin it down for sure. Someone answered a request I sent and they found the connection on the census with Mary Edwards living with her mother Marie Hooper, I am sure I wrote it down but cannot find it now. Sorry, I will keep looking.
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MarkCDodd wrote:There is a Charles Warren and Charles T Warren working with the Queensland Railways for many years.

I can give you the index information for their entries in the Queensland Railway Employees 1889-1940 index.

From those you can look up thier individual records which details their career.


There is also a Charles Warren in the Police Gazette in 1890 charges with larceny......

He is also in all the Poll Books and the Post Office Directories....

I am sure we can find out lots of good thing in the UK as well.


Hi, I would love to have the information for their entries in the Qld Railways Employees index, may I have the link. Also the Larceny charges & Poll books and Post Office Directories...
There is so much I don't know...thank you so much
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For hte railways, see if your local library has the following CD online.

http://www.qfhs.org.au/railways.html

You will find an index for him for each year he worked, such as these....

Name: Charles Warren
Age: 36
Position: Labourer
Branch/Office: Maintenance Branch
Railway/Division: S. D.
Year: 1908
Volume: XCI
Page: 763

Name: Charles Warren
Age: 39
Position: Labourer
Branch/Office: Maintenance Branch
Railway/Division: Southern Division
Year: 1911
Volume: XCVII
Page: 1329

If you look at the actual records there is information on place of work,next of kin, wages, address, promotions etc.

Sometimes there is quite a lot of extra information.


For the mention in the 1891 Police Gazette you would have to visit the Public Records Office and check out this case....

Name: Charles Warren
Where Arrested: Brisbane
Commited for trial: 8th October 1890
Court where tried: Brisbane District Court
Date of trial: 20th October 1890
Offence: Larceny
On whom committed: Stewart Seeny
Sentence: 12months hard labour
By whom arrested: Detective Conroy
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If you are on ancestry you have access to the Poll books.

If not,, leave me a Personal Message with your e-mail address and I will get them to you.

Here is an article on the court case....

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3511161?searchTerm=%22Charles+Warren%22

and another

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3511963?searchTerm=%22Charles+Warren%22

In trouble for trespass as well...

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3670071?searchTerm=%22Charles+Warren%22
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Wow, thank you for all your help. Access to the newspapers is sooo slow at present, I will look tomorrow. The only thing I am wondering is if Charles did not give his correct birth place on his marriage certificate, he probably did not give it when he he was employed at the railways. The question is where was he born?
Too late now and time for bed and my mind is running in circles. Thanks for all your help. Catch up tommorow. Sandra
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