*Arc tbc* --- William Jones and Martha Howells

[Northern Lass]

This is surplus to requirements but let's not waste the info
it could help others and we can add it to BCC

1st Oct 1882 St Marks Tipton
William Jones- 65- widower- boilermaker- Toll end- John Jones- Smith
Martha Howells- 66- widower- Toll end- John Ridley- carpenter
banns
X both
Wit - William Ward/ Ellen Harris X

[Jimmy]

Possible,

MARTHA RIDLEY.
RICHARD PRICE.
Marriage, 24 DEC 1837. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.

West Midlands Marriage 1841.
PRICE Martha, HOWELLS William, Sedgley, All Saints, Dudley Register Office. 216/002/167.

[Northern Lass]

Possible,

MARTHA RIDLEY.
RICHARD PRICE.
Marriage, 24 DEC 1837. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.

West Midlands Marriage 1841.
PRICE Martha, HOWELLS William, Sedgley, All Saints, Dudley Register Office. 216/002/167.

I think that looks very good Jimmy
can we find any census in 1841 to check it out
or did she marry in 1841 pre census

could do with her on census with William Jones and with one of former hubbies to check age and where born

[Northern Lass]

Possible,

MARTHA RIDLEY.
RICHARD PRICE.
Marriage, 24 DEC 1837. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.

West Midlands Marriage 1841.
PRICE Martha, HOWELLS William, Sedgley, All Saints, Dudley Register Office. 216/002/167.

going to look up both those marriages and see who father is

so unless anyone wishes to run anymore with this will arch pend look ups

[grangers14]

That marriage Jimmy found is in March quarter 1841.
As Hoerle on Ancestry
1841 Census
Wednesbury Oak, Sedgley,
William Howell, 50, Blacksmith
Marry, 43,
William, 25, Smith,
Martha, 23, not born in County

[grangers14]

1881 Census
123, Toll End Road, Tipton
Martha Howell, head, W, 64, Chainwoman, Tipton

1871 Census
123, Toll End Road, Tipton
William Howells, head, 53, Blacksmith, Bridgnorth, Salop
Martha, wife, 54, Dudley
Martha, daur, 20, Dudley

1861 Census
Toll End Road,
Willliam Howells, head, 43, Boiler ?, Tipton
Martha, wife, 43, Dudley
Mary A, daur, 18, Tipton
Martha, daur, 9, Dudley
Martha Ridley, Boarder, W, 84, Claybey(?) Salop

1851 Census
Mill Street, Dudley
William Howell, head, 30, Blacksmith, Bridgenorth, Salop
Martha, wife, 30, Dudley
Eliza, daur, 7, Sedgley
Elizabeth, daur, 5, Deptford Green

[Northern Lass]

Ok I don't get this...brains please

I have looked up 2 marriages and

Richard Price to Martha Ridley checks out father is John Ridley Carpenter so that matches her other marriage here..

Marriage info- 1st Oct 1882 St Marks Tipton
William Jones- 65- widower- boilermaker- Toll end- John Jones- Smith
Martha Howells- 66- widower- Toll end- John Ridley- carpenter
banns
X both Wit - William Ward/ Ellen Harris X

but...

the marriage to William Howells in 1841 that martha is a martha price father is Thomas price glass blower

so why on this census do we have a martha Ridley boarder
1871 Census
123, Toll End Road, Tipton
William Howells, head, 53, Blacksmith, Bridgnorth, Salop
Martha, wife, 54, Dudley
Martha, daur, 20, Dudley

1861 Census
Toll End Road,
Willliam Howells, head, 43, Boiler ?, Tipton
Martha, wife, 43, Dudley
Mary A, daur, 18, Tipton
Martha, daur, 9, Dudley
Martha Ridley, Boarder, W, 84, Claybey(?) Salop

[Northern Lass]

rite think this is it...

William Howlell married martha price her father is Thomas Price glass blower
Richard Price is bro to Martha Price father is Thomas Price glass blower
Richard and Martha price put Holly hall

so William Howells has his sis in laws mother? with em on census?

[Northern Lass]

still dont get it...why is she Howells

[Northern Lass]

Ok you clever clogs...sort this will you..

here are the marriages of Martha Ridley

1st marriage
24 Dec St Thomas Dudley 1837
Richard Price- of full age- bach- Glass blower- Holly Hall Parish of Dudley- Thomas Price-Glassblower
Martha Ridley- minor- spinster- Wall St Dudley- John Ridley- Carpenter
banns
X Richard/ Martha signed
Wit- Thomas Massey/ X Eliza Ridley .

2nd Marriage info- 1st Oct 1882 St Marks Tipton
William Jones- 65- widower- boilermaker- Toll end- John Jones- Smith
Martha Howells- 66- widower- Toll end- John Ridley- carpenter
banns
X both Wit - William Ward/ Ellen Harris X


so she is a Howells on the 2nd one and she should be a Price

the Martha Price that Married William Howells is this one...

22 March 1841 All Saints Sedgley
William Howells - full age- bach- Blacksmith- Princes end- William Howells - Blacksmith
Martha Price full age- spinster- Holly Hall- Thomas Price- Glass Blower
banns
both signed
Wit Thomas Fieldhouse/ X John Harper

that to me reads that Martha and Richard are sibs

but why is Martha that married William Jones a Martha Howells

help!!

[grangers14]

May be add it in and decipher as it goes along?
I will look tomorrow some more. Not sure if any are on at the moment?
Jo

[Northern Lass]

Ok..on here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =466391174

[grangers14]

and Martha Price says spinster and father is Price too?

Jo

[grangers14]

So from 1881 census William Jones and Marth Howell
1881 Census
123, Toll End, Tipton, Staffordshire
Martha Howell, head, w, 64, Charwoman. Tipton

1881 census
34, Horseley Road, Tipton
William Jones, head, w, 64, Boiler Maker
William , son, 21
Both born Tipton

[grangers14]

1871 census
13, Chapel Street, Tipton
William Jones, head, 54, Boiler Maker, Tipton
Comfort, wife, 49, Bradley(?) Stafs
John Cope, son in law, M, 25, Boat ?, Tipton
Jane Cope, daur in law, M, 24, Poplar, Middlesex
William Jones, son, 13, Screw Greas? Tipton
Ary Ann Jones rand daur 6, Tipton

1861 Census
Horsley Heath, Tipton
William Jones, head, 42, Tipton
Comfort, wife, 37, Sedgeley
Jane, daur, 15, London
William, son, 2, Tipton

1851 Census
Horsley Heath, Tipton
John Jones, head, 74, Blacksmith, Rowley
Sarah, wife, 74, Tipton
William, son, M, 33, Boiler Maker, Tipton
Comforth, wife, 29, Sedgeley,
Jane, daur, 5, Blackwall(?) Middlesex
Rebecca, daur, 1, Tipton
James, Grand son, 19, Miner, Tipton
Joseph, grand son, 17, Blacksmith, Tipton

Marriage 1844
JONES William DAVIES Comfort Sedgley, All Saints Dudley Register Office 216/003/189