*Arc tbc* --Great Grandfather Birth Certificate

[moonlustie]

Hi

I'm really stuck with this, I have all the census entries throughout his life, I have his naval record and his death certificate, which all say he was born in "London, Middlesex". I have date of birth from Naval record but nothing matches on ancestry lists.

Is there a way of finding out a more detailed birthplace and therefore his birth cert?

I can't move further back because I don't have any information. I don't have the maiden name for my great grandmother either, so I'm stuck there too. I can't find their marriage certificate

Any advice would be really appreciated.

GGf: Walter WARNER b: 20 July 1852 London Middlesex (when son registered death he added middle name of Francis but no other records have that)
GGm: Elizabeth b: abt 1853 in Devonport, Devon

Thanks
Sue

[peterd]

poss marriage

Marriages Mar 1874

BROMFIELD Sarah Holborn 1b 753
Lines Elizabeth Holborn 1b 753
Smith George Holborn 1b 753
Warner Walter Holborn 1b 753



this them in 1881 census

1881 Birling Gap Eastdean, Sussex

Walter WARNER 31 London, Middlesex, Coast Guard (R N)
Elizabeth WARNER 29 Devonport, Devon,
Walter WARNER 6 Portland, Dorset,



so if walter is there first c 1874 born this is the only marriage i could find that fits

[peterd]

poss birth registrationi f porland dorset is not correct on 1881 census what did later census say where born ?

Births Sep 1874
Warner Walter William Holborn 1b 746

[peterd]

1871 census born plymouth

John Wills 48
Elizabeth Wills 41
George Mark Wills 11
Elizabeth Lines 18 servant, Plymouth, Devon
Rebecca Turailer 29
Samuel Turailer 7
Lousia Turailer 5
Mary Ann Turailer 3

[peterd]

two poss births maybe one died poss same parents ?

Births Dec 1850
Lines Elizabeth Mary Plymouth 9 3[8_]5

Births Jun 1852
Lines Elizabeth Mary Plymouth 5b 242

[moonlustie]

Hi Peter

Thanks so much for your help.

poss birth registrationi f porland dorset is not correct on 1881 census what did later census say where born ?

Births Sep 1874
Warner Walter William Holborn 1b 746

For elizabeth:
1891 says Devonport, Devon, England
1901 says Devonport

What you have found looks very good, thank you.

Regards
Sue

[peterd]

Hi Peter

Thanks so much for your help.

poss birth registrationi f porland dorset is not correct on 1881 census what did later census say where born ?

Births Sep 1874
Warner Walter William Holborn 1b 746

For elizabeth:
1891 says Devonport, Devon, England
1901 says Devonport

What you have found looks very good, thank you.

Regards
Sue

i mean where was there son born in later census as if that his him born holborn or if there any other children you can trace a birth for it will have elizabeths maiden name on birth cert

can you post the later census 1891.1901 poss 1911 ?

[moonlustie]

For the son Walter Francis

B: abt 1875 Portland, Dorset

This is on 1881, 1891 censuses

I can't find 1901 entries but when he married in 1908 he was living in Aldrington, Hove, Sussex just up the road from the coastguard station where Walter had been posted and place of residence in 1891. When he died in 1922 he was living two streets away, so I can only guess he was in the same area. I haven't looked at 1911 yet.

By 1901 Walter had retired from Coastguard and was Caretaker at a Board/Council School, in Brighton but WF wasn't living with them - Walter died at same address in 1905.

The other three sibilings of WF were all listed as being born in Hove at the time when Walter was posted at Birling Gap, which is very very small, so they probably would have had to been registered at Hove.

Thanks again
Sue

[peterd]

you got the name of the other kids or is it a secret

[mallosa]

Hi Peter

Thanks so much for your help.

poss birth registrationi f porland dorset is not correct on 1881 census what did later census say where born ?

Births Sep 1874
Warner Walter William Holborn 1b 746

For elizabeth:
1891 says Devonport, Devon, England
1901 says Devonport

What you have found looks very good, thank you.

Regards
Sue

i mean where was there son born in later census as if that his him born holborn or if there any other children you can trace a birth for it will have elizabeths maiden name on birth cert

can you post the later census 1891.1901 poss 1911 ?

Here they are....

1901: Southampton Street, East Brighton, Sussex
Walter Warner 48 Head Caretaker Board School London
Elizabeth Warner 48 Wife Devonport
Edith Warner 14 Dau Hove, Sussex
Alfred Warner 12 Son Hove, Sussex

[mallosa]

Poss
Births Mar 1887
WARNER Edith Steyning 2b 288

The district Steyning is in the county of Sussex

[mallosa]

Poss
Births Mar 1886
WARNER Alfred Eastbourne 2b 78

The district Eastbourne spans the boundaries of the counties of Sussex and East Sussex

[peterd]

poss

Births Dec 1888
WARNER Alfred Ernest Steyning 2b 274


steyning covers hove so if you got one of these birth certs you will find out mothers maiden name

[moonlustie]

you got the name of the other kids or is it a secret

no:

Walter WARNER 1852 (London, Middlesex) - Elizabeth 1853 (Devonport, Devon)

Children:

Walter Francis 1875 (1901 census missing) (Portland, Dorset)
William C 1885 (Hove, Sussex)
Edith 1887 (Hove, Sussex)
Alfred 1889 (Hove, Sussex)

[grangers14]

I have date of birth from Naval record but nothing matches on ancestry lists.

What date did you get for his birth?

Jo