ARC TBC - Great Grandfather Samuel John Hudson

[jesterhud]

No proof as such. but the info comes from my Uncle, George Henry Hudsons (my Grandad) son, who was also born in Hastings in 1929.

We have no reason to believe that Samuel John Hudson and Emma Somerwill went to Fulham in 1906 and then back to Hastings again for the 1911 census.

[peterd]

But if you cannot find a birth cert for 1906 in hastings then you've got to conclude he wasnt registered there for some reason ?

poss visiting some one at time of birth and had to be registered elsewhere due to the law requiring a birth has to be registerd within a certain time ?


not one below can i find on free bmd all thought its not complete there are hastings births for this period ?

They had 3 children together -

Samuel John Hudson born in 1899 in Hastings

Alice Minnie Hudson born in 1901 in Hastings

George Henry Hudson born in Hastings in 1906 - my grandfather


so was any of them registered at hastings ?

[peterd]

here the first two in battle

Births Dec 1899
Hudson Samuel John Battle 2b 48

Births Mar 1901
HUDSON Alice Minnie Battle 2b 51


the register goes past 1906 for battle so he not registered there ?

[peterd]

this could be a poss it might of been mistranscibed or registered as one name and called another Parent change mind but cannot change cert ?

about 6 miles from hastings

Births Sep 1906
Hudson Alfred George Rye 2b 3

[jesterhud]

No he was born on the 12th January 1906, the address my Uncle gives as the birth address is 41 Alma Villas, Hastings.

[peterd]

well if you have his birth send to hastings saying your require a birth cert for a george henry hudson (could be registered with one or both first names) father Samuel john hudson born 12/1/1906 Almas villa hastings

if they say no such person then you now he wasnt registerd in hasting but you would have to send this to hastings register office

here the link

http://www.eastsussex.gov.uk/community/ ... h/form.htm


you can order it online

[Jimmy]

No he was born on the 12th January 1906, the address my Uncle gives as the birth address is 41 Alma Villas, Hastings.

When and where did he die.

[jesterhud]

He died 1st April 1981 in i think Ashford Middlesex, i have his death cert but am not able to access it until tomorrow.

[jesterhud]

I also have his WWII Army service record which again i cant get at until tomorrow, but from memory it only confirms all
i have said so far.

[MarkCDodd]

I think you have to remember that place of birth and place of registration are two completely different things.

Place of death registration also has nothing to do with where they were living.

As for the estimated year of death...

Since he does not appear on the census with his partner and children and the surname of the children "varies" we can assume the relationship is not full time.

So, like I have done many times, it may be worth ignoring the family word of mouth and take a stab at logical options.

There are not many Samuel John Hudson in the census.

Finding one that has a death registered in Sussex is worth investigating even if it does not meet the word of mouth criteria.

Same with a wedding that has several matching features.

I have at least half a dozen marriages in my tree where they have lived de-facto for many years and travelled a fair distance to get married on the sly without the family knowing or being present.

How did you manage to get his WWII record? I though that was restricted to wife and children, not grandchildren.

[jesterhud]

edit -
I sent off for it and they sent it to me !!

[jesterhud]

One interesting person is on the 1881 census, Samuel Hudson born in Barnstaple Devon in 1854 living in Battle Hastings, job is a Bricklayers labourer, which is similar to a Navvy i reckon.

Barnstaple is only 2 or 3 miles from Swimbridge where Emma Somerwill was born in 1876, so he is a bit older than her.

I am unable to find any other record of this guy apart from the 1881 census entry.

[Maths girl]

I think you have to remember that place of birth and place of registration are two completely different things.

Place of death registration also has nothing to do with where they were living.

This is particularly relevant when there is a railway connection as they tended to follow the work and so moved around a great deal even between consecutive census.

[Jimmy]

This is a long shot.
1901. Railway settlement, Crowhurst, Sussex.
Jane Hudson 56. Head. Widow. born: Crewkerne, Somerset
Samuel Hudson 31. Son, born, Chatham, Kent, Excavator Navvy.
William Fuller 49.
Edward Williams 34.
William Robinson 38.
John Baldwin 39.
William Wright 22.
William Green 52.
Thomas Smith 38.

All others lodgers and excavator Navvies.

A Navvy is a lot more experienced than a Bricklayers labourer,

You say you heard that he died on the railways. This as both the connection's, and in the same area, regardless of where he was born,
Crowhurst. Battle, East Sussex, is about 7-8 miles from Hastings.

[Jimmy]

Same Jane as 1901 census, with husband Samuel.
Labourers on the canal were also called Navvies.

1891. Wooden Hut, Acton Grange. Cheshire.
Samuel Hudson 47. Ship canal Labourer. Signalman. born, Briey, Lincolnshire,
Jane Hudson 44. Crewkern, Somerset,
Ellen Hudson 18. Dau, Dressmaker. born, Whissington, Durham.
Charles Glastonbury 20.
Thomas Smith 74.
Thomas Cummings 23.
Isaac Parker 40.

All others Ship canal Labourers.