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Spin off from - Evans and Harvey Marriage for Mally

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Requested a look up for marriage of Agnes and Joseph, asking for her father if stated, if not did it give mother as Prudence?

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Marriage: 16.9.1889 St Giles, Rowley Regis
Joseph Evans 23 bach Tividale Painter - Father:Jon Evans Painter
Agnes Harvey 21 sp Tividale - Father: Charles Knowles Harvey Collier
Witnesses were Wm and Elizabeth Taylor

I have her mother as Prudence Harvey who married Charles Knowles in 1873, 5 yrs after Agnes was born.

Why would he be Charles Knowles Harvey on the parish records? ...Here's the link

...or am I being stupid and the Harvey refers to her mothers maiden name? :?
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Perhaps the person doing the writing asked "Name of father?" and she said "Charles Knowles" and they took it to mean first and middle names since she was Harvey?
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mmmm....that's a thought Gardener but another error?
This marriage info is a bit of a mish mash isn't it - wrong occupation for groom and his father and wrong name for Brides father :?
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1881. 25 & 26 Park St. Oldbury.
Charles Knowles 30. Coal miner.
Prudence Knowles 31.
Agnes Knowles 12.
Olive Knowles 6.
George Knowles 2.
Esther Knowles 1.

All born Oldbury.
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1891. 56 Birchfield Lane, Oldbury.
Joseph Evans 25. Brewer.
Agnes Evans 22.
Eliza Evans 1.
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1861. Birchfield Lane, Oldbury.
William Harvey 47. Blacksmith. born Quinton.
Mary Harvey 48. born Titford.
George Harvey 19.
Prudence Harvey 15. Dressmsker.
Joseph Harvey 13.
Patience Harvey 5.

All others born Oldbury.
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Extracted.

WILLIAM HARVEY.
MARY HUGHES.
Marriage, 24 MAR 1833, Saint Marys, Handsworth, Stafford.

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WILLIAM HARVEY.
MARY AZLEWOOD.
Marriage, 08 SEP 1833. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.
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Thanks Jimmy, I have that on :wink:
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Tree on Ancestry (Barrett-Chalk Family Tree) has:

William Harvey - Birth May 1814 in Quinton, Worcestershire, England
Death 1884 in Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
Mary Hazlewood - Birth bef Mar 1814 in Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Death Q3 1894 in West Bromwich, Worcestershire, England

William Harvey & Mary Hazlewood m. 8 Sep 1833 at St. Thomas, Dudley
Children:
Phebe Harvey 1839 -
Matilda Harvey 1840 -
George HARVEY 1841 - 1911
Prudence Harvey 1846 -
Joseph Harvey 1847 -
Mary Harvey 1849 -
Patience Harvey 1856 -

They quote the 1841, 1851, 1861, 1881 census.
Like me, they don't seem to have found any trace of the Harveys or Knowles in 1871.

There are ancestors there for both William and Mary.
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Free BDM Marriages:
Prudence Harvey 1873 Stourbridge Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Charles Knowles 1873 Stourbridge Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
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Charles is age is out.

1871. Birchfield Lane, Oldbury.

Zephaniah Knowles 59. Coal Miner.
Olive Knowles 58.
Charles Knowles 26. Coal Miner.
Joseph Knowles 20.
Enock Knowles 17.
Tabethy Knowles 15.
Dorothy Knowles 13.
Enock Janes 5. Grandson.
Edward Savage 20. Grandson.
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ZEPHANIAH KNOWLES.
OLIVE HILL.
Marriage, 05 JAN 1834. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.
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dianel wrote:Tree on Ancestry (Barrett-Chalk Family Tree) has:

William Harvey - Birth May 1814 in Quinton, Worcestershire, England
Death 1884 in Oldbury, Worcestershire, England
Mary Hazlewood - Birth bef Mar 1814 in Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Death Q3 1894 in West Bromwich, Worcestershire, England

William Harvey & Mary Hazlewood m. 8 Sep 1833 at St. Thomas, Dudley
Children:
Phebe Harvey 1839 -
Matilda Harvey 1840 -
George HARVEY 1841 - 1911
Prudence Harvey 1846 -
Joseph Harvey 1847 -
Mary Harvey 1849 -
Patience Harvey 1856 -

They quote the 1841, 1851, 1861, 1881 census.
Like me, they don't seem to have found any trace of the Harveys or Knowles in 1871.

There are ancestors there for both William and Mary.


I have them in 1871 Di, mistranscribed as Harney ...here

also Knowles family in 1871 ....here
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dianel wrote:Free BDM Marriages:
Prudence Harvey 1873 Stourbridge Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire
Charles Knowles 1873 Stourbridge Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands, Worcestershire



Marriage date should be 1873, not 1872.

PRUDENCE HARVEY.
CHARLES KNOWLES.
Marriage, 22 FEB 1873, Halesowen, Worcester.
Husband Age at Marriage: 30.
Wife Age at Marriage, 28.
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Marriage 22 Feb 1872 St Johns Halesowen
Charles Knowles X - 30 - b - miner- Oldbury
Zaphariah- miner
Prudence Harvey- 28- s - Oldbury
William Harvey boiler maker
Wit - William Smith / Tabitha Knowles X

This is one that Jan looked up for me Jimmy, so unless I've put the wrong year.........

Thanks for pointing that out Jimmy, it's probably a mistake by me - I'll check with Jan :wink:
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