*UPDATE look up done!* --Joseph Rose b abt 1847

[Northern Lass]

KDW has kindly done a look up and am now running with this Joseph that married Emma Parsons
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =102266516

can we find his mother?

[mumbles]

There are a number that fit bill as born 1847 RR but this looks likely:-
1841 Census Lilley Pot Row Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
William Rose 25 Nailer
Nancy Rose 25
Matilda Rose 5
William Rose 8mths.
All born in County

1851 Census Lilley Pot Row Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
William Rose Head 36 Nail Forger
Nancy Rose wife 35 Nail Forger
Tilda Rose dau 14 Nail Forger
William Rose son 10 Nail Forger
Mary Ann Rose dau 7
Joseph Rose son 4
All born Rowley Regis Staffs.

1861 Census Rowley Village Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
William Rose Head 46 Nailer
Ann Rose wife 45 Nailer
William Rose son 20 Nailer
Mary Ann Rose dau 17
Joseph Rose son 14 Nailer
Ellen Rose dau
Gethan Rose dau 9
Absolom Rose son 5
William Daniels lodger 23 Soda Grater
Matilda Daniels wife 25 Nailer
Joseph Smith son in law 5
William Daniels son 10mths.
All born Rowley Regis Staffs.

Although Nancy has changed to Ann I do not think William Has remarried as it is not first time I have come across Nancy changing to Ann and link is daughter Matilda marrying a William Daniels

[mumbles]

1871 Census Rowley Road (Blackheath) Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Joseph Rose Head 23
Ann Rose (W) mother 53
Agatha Rose sister 18
Absolom Rose brother 15
All Nail Makers and born Rowley Regis

This ties up with William dead by 1872

[Northern Lass]

this could be him mumbles ...should be a chainmaker though

wonder if any of the later kids echo the names in this family?

[Jimmy]

1881.
Joseph ROSE Head M Male 34 Rowley Regis, Stafford, Rivet Maker.
Emma ROSE Wife M Female 31 Cockshutts Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer.
Ann Eliza ROSE Daur Female 8 Cockshutts Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar.
Alice ROSE Daur Female 4 Cockshutts Halesowen, Worcester.
Joseph PARSONS Brother In Law U Male 46 Cockshutts Halesowen, Worcester, Fitter Maker In Tube Works.
David PARSONS Brother In Law Boarders U Male 23 Cockshutts Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer.

Cottage, The Hill, Worcester.

[Jimmy]

The only Joseph I can see that is a rivet maker is.

1871.

Joseph Rose 45. Lab at Pottery.
Eliza Rose 48.
Joseph Rose 24. Rivetmaker.
James Rose 22.
Mary Rose 14.
Jane Rose 7.
Ann Rose 80. Mother.

[Northern Lass]

The only Joseph I can see that is a rivet maker is.

1871.

Joseph Rose 45. Lab at Pottery.
Eliza Rose 48.
Joseph Rose 24. Rivetmaker.
James Rose 22.
Mary Rose 14.
Jane Rose 7.
Ann Rose 80. Mother.

that is interesting
but father is a Joseph not William

but the names Ann and Eliza are there

[Jimmy]

1891. Maltmill Lane. Hill.
Joseph Rose 44. Rivet maker.
Emma Rose 40. Nailer.
Eliza Rose 18.
Alice Rose 14.
Arthur Rose 9.
Emily Rose 6.
David Parsons 34. Brother ???. Gas Fitting maker.

[Jimmy]

1901. Malt Mill Lane, Hill.
Joseph Rose 54. Rivetmaker.
Emma Rose 50.
Arthur Rose 19.
Emily Rose 16.
Miriam Rose 8.

[mumbles]

Ann/Nancy Rose married after death of William to a Richard Perry in 1864 St. Thomas Dudley
but he died in 1867

1881 Census 45 Birmingham Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Ann Perry Head 66 (w) Nail Maker
Absalom Rose son 25 Rivet Maker
Elizabeth Rose dau.in.law 22 Nail Maker born Old Hill Staffs.
Mary A. Rose grd.dau 8mths. born Blackheath Staffs.
William Daniels son.in law 50 (w) Gen. Lab.
William Daniels grd.son 22 Gen. Lab.
Sarah Daniels grd.dau Nail Maker 18 born Old Hill Staffs.
Ellen Daniels grd.dau 13 Scholar
Abbess Daniels Grd.dau 1
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.

Note Absalom is Abraham on Transcription but Absalom on orig.

Absalom Rose married Betsey Harvey on 1.6.1878 St. Pauls Blackheath
and on later Census records she is noted as Betsey

[Northern Lass]

now that is interesting cos the wits are Parry but could be Perry?

George Parry X Sarah Parry X
on 1872 marr

1864
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PARRY George WILLIS Sarah A Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/022/444


1868
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PERRY George WOODWARD Sarah Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/4/50

[Jimmy]

GEORGE PARRY.
SARAH ANN WILLIS.
Marriage, 10 OCT 1864. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester.

[mumbles]

Getha Rose sister of Joseph Rose on 1871 Census married Joseph Mole on same day and record 6c 110 Dudley as Joseph Rose and Emma Parsons so must have been a double wedding

[mumbles]

In 1891 Census Joseph Mole and Getha Mole (nee Rose) have William Daniels aged 30 living with them which proves link to Ann Perry and Absolom on 1881 Census aned I think proves this is right family

[Northern Lass]

righto if you think it is ok mumbles do you fancy adding it
it looks good with that link