Chance family- For member Keith

[Keith]

Hi, I am new to this list.
I am researching the family CHANCE from Netherton, Dudley.
We have James Chance married to Hannah ? in abt 1826.
Children include: Mary, Sarah, Thurza, John, Thomas & William James
William James was born about 1840, in Netherton. He married a Ellen?
Children were: Ellen, Hannah, Mary ( Mary my direct line) Thursa, Archie & Thomas.
Any fellow researcher interested in info exchange would be most welcome.
I have a very old photo of Mary Chance taken in Worcester.
Regards
Keith

[Northern Lass]

Hi Keith welcome

Well this is great you link into someone on there already and we can add your info ie your name linking in to the notes if you like.

He married an Ellen Downes look at this link here

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =172082577

can you give me the rest of the info ie births - places of births etc and I will add it save me looking at census etc

oh and you then link back to me via my Benjamin Round who marries a Chance? not sure need to get my notes and fill that in
will let you know on that one.

here is the marriage

1860
CHANCE William DOWNES Ellen Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/002/402

[gardener]

Hi Keith
Welcome to the board.

Is it the family in Worcester in 1881? Ellen born Brierley Hill?
I have this bunch in 1861 which seems to fit

1861 census RG9 2061/54
247 Netherton Hill, Dudley

Edward Downes,head,m,47,miner,Salop,Madeley Grace
Hannah Downes,wife,59,Worcs,Netherton Cradley
Mary Ann Downes,dau,unm,15,nailer,Staffs,Rowley Regis
Walter Downes,son,12,miner,Worcs,Dudley

William Chance,lodger,m,21,horse nail maker,Netherton,Dudley
Ellen ditto,wife,m,19,Brierley Hill
Ellen ditto,dau,5m,Netherton,Dudley

The family they are lodging with include my gtgtgrandfather Walter Downes.
There is a marriage for William Chance to Ellen Downes at Dudley St Johns in 1860.

And I think this may be Ellen down as Elinor in 1851

1851
Great Dawley,Salop
Dawley Bank
Edward Downs,head,42,iron stone miner,Salop,Dawley
Ellen ditto,wife,34,Salop,Park Lane
James ditto,15,iron miner,Staffs,Brierley Hill
Mary A ditto,dau,13,coal pit,ditto
Edward ditto,son,11,collier,ditto
Elinor ditto,dau,9,sunday school,ditto
Mary A ditto,dau,6,ditto,ditto
Walter ditto,son,2,Staffs,Kates Hill
Maria ditto,dau,5 m,Salop,Dawley

Which would make Ellen and Walter brother and sister and us nth-cousins.

Some of the family are entered on here http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/
Edward remarried to a Hannah Chance in 1857 I think (for some reason Hannah's father is down as John Beddall on the BCC site, not sure why that is so I will look into that).

See if you think the above matches what you have any how
We could probably ask for a lookup for the William Chance marriage to Ellen Downes.

[gardener]

Morning NL
I took so long to type that lot in, you posted in the meantime

[Northern Lass]

Morning G

What was that link to Chance and Round can you remember?
I am Going to put it all on all the above too unless you wish to ?
who is that beddall?

[gardener]

Beats me! I can't find my certificate file at the moment. I may have the marriage for Hannah Chance to Edward Downes. Can't remember. Feel free to pu on what ever you want.
I think Hannah was boarding with Benj Round 1881 but can't remember how they connect.

[Northern Lass]

Ok I will update...but look who is this Hannah who marries Edward Downes I am thinking she is the wife/widow of James Chance and that is her son William Chance who marries his Step fathers dau?

ok couple of marriage look ups

1. William and Ellen to cf James

2. hannah Chance and Edward Downes

what do we think?

[Jimmy]

Marriages Mar 1857.
Chance Hannah. Stourbridge. 6c 195.
Downs Edward. Stourbridge. 6c 195.

DOWNS Edward. CHANCE Hannah. Quarry Bank, Christ Church. Dudley Register Office. 016/001/74.

[gardener]

Ha! Out of chaos.....

(Thanks Jimmy)

1857 Christ Church Quarry Bank
Jan 23rd
Edward Downs full age widower mioner Quarry Bank father John Downs nailer
Hannah Chance full age Widow Quarry Bank John Beddall miner
Wit;John Chance and Honor McDonald

You could check this one

Hannah Beddal to John Chance
24th Dec 1820 St Thos Dudley

[Jimmy]

Marriages Jun 1860.

CHANCE William. Dudley 6c 55.
Downes Ellen. Dudley 6c 55.
Downs Ellen. Dudley 6c 55.




CHANCE William. DOWNES Ellen. Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill. Dudley Register Office 203/002/402.

[gardener]

1860 St John's
June 19th

William Chance 21 bach nailer, Dudley Father deceased miner (no name)
Ellen Downes 20 spin Dudley Father Edward Downes miner

wit: Eliza Phillips Cornelius Webb


Grr. Why no name? Why do that to us

[Northern Lass]

So did a Hannah Beddall marry a James Chance?

sorry catching up... so John not a James for a Hannah....so who did James Chance marry which Hannah

could he be a John James?

Did he have a brother called John? who is the witness for Hannah and Edward?

1857 Christ Church Quarry Bank
Jan 23rd
Edward Downs full age widower mioner Quarry Bank father John Downs nailer
Hannah Chance full age Widow Quarry Bank John Beddall miner
Wit;John Chance and Honor McDonald

[gardener]

Recap

Keith has

James Chance married to Hannah ? in abt 1826.
Children include: Mary, Sarah, Thurza, John, Thomas & William James

I am suggesting that William James Chance is the William Chance who married Ellen Downes in 1860. No father's name for him in the church entry but down as deceased miner.

Ellen's father Edward Downes had a 2nd marriage to Hannah Chance (né Beddall)
and there is
Hannah Beddal to John Chance
24th Dec 1820 St Thos Dudley

There is Hannah Chance in the 1851, already a widow, with sons Thomas (15), John (13) and William (11). Also Mary Round who may be the dau of Sarah Chance and Benjamin Round, if that checks out (m. Brierley Hill St Johns 1846)
Thomas's age doesn't quite match the Hannah and James family in 1841 but otherwise it looks the same. Only the possible marriage is for a John Chance rather than a James Chance.

Perhaps we should wait for Keith to get back to us?

[Northern Lass]

I think this sums it up

I believe that Hannah unknown who married James Chance is the same one as Hannah Beddall who marries Edward Downes.

The reason I believe that is this.

On the 1881 Census there is a Benjamin Round and a Sarah Round married now I have the marriage certif for this.
The father of Sarah is James chance a miner deceased.
Living with them is a Hannah Downs widow. age 79
So that is mother of Sarah and the ex wife of Edward Downs so the wife of James Chance.

the fact that there is a Round living with Hannah or visiting dau of Sarah and Benj ties it all

Ok I am merging the 2 Hannahs. adding notes and will do that marriage look up
But of course the Census could have been put down incorrectly as James but meant John.
Notice the son is a John.
But I think it is James and maybe the vicar got it wrong.
there is a James dies 1842 Dudley the Johns that die are the wrong regis area stourbridge.

Can we find a bapt for a John?

Oh and Benjamin is the brother of my direct line William Round too
so not sure if that sort of makes us all related

[peterd]

Ha! Out of chaos.....

(Thanks Jimmy)

1857 Christ Church Quarry Bank
Jan 23rd
Edward Downs full age widower mioner Quarry Bank father John Downs nailer
Hannah Chance full age Widow Quarry Bank John Beddall miner
Wit;John Chance and Honor McDonald

You could check this one

Hannah Beddal to John Chance
24th Dec 1820 St Thos Dudley

think john chance and honor married ?

1881 census

John CHANCE Head 47 Dudley, Worcester, Miner (Coal)
Honor CHANCE Wife 46 Mayo, Ireland
Wm. James CHANCE 21 Dudley, Worcester, Coal Miner
Esther Ann CHANCE 13 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar
Julia Ann CHANCE 5 Dudley, Worcester, Scholar


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