*Arc tbc* --RICHARD GOULD and Hannah Payne

[Genealogy Fan]

Hi all, haven't been on the site for a while, and have missed you all!!

I have been adding some ancestors onto the BCC site.

I have entered Harry Cyril Holloway and his wife Emily Gould.

I have a copy of Emily's birth and marriage certifcate and both say that her father is Richard Gould.

Is this the same Richard Gould as entered onto the site by JAN??

Emily's Birth Certificate records her parents as Richard Gould and Hannah Gould, late Price Formerly Payne.

There is a marriage in March 1881 at St Thomas Dudley for a Hannay Payne to Samuel Price (Index: 6c 62 Dudley).

There is a second marriage in Dec 1886 at St Pauls Blackheath for a Hannah Price to Richard Gould (Index: 6c 89 Stourbridge).

I have not found Hannah as yet on the 1881 census.

The 1891 census records: Living at Terrace Street, Rowley Regis:
Richard Gould, Head, 30
Hannah Gould, Wife, 30
Eliza Gould, daur, 3
Alice Gould, daur, 1
Annie Price, Step Daur, 9
Jane Price, Step Daur, 6
Emma Payne, MotherinLaw, 50

The 1901 census records: Living at Malt Mill Lane, Blackheath:
Richard Gould, Head, 38
Hannah Gould, Wife, 40
Eliza Gould, daur, 13
Beatrice Gould, daur, 10
Alice Gould, daur, 8
Florence Gould, daur, 4
Horace Gould, son, 1
Emily Gould, daur, 3 months
Annie Price, Step Daur, 20

There is a birth index in Jun 1891 for a Beatrice Gould.

Could this Richard Gould be the same person on BCC?

Regards

Sue

[Northern Lass]

Hi GF good to see you back

So this is Richard and we need to fill this out and connect up
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =163227796

as this looks good doesnt it
nice one!
so do you want to connect up or me?

that Beatrice is b abt 1890 on the marriage so that fits the sister of Emily

can you add the mother too please ie Hannah payne and the marriages for Hannah as that looks good and her mother is living with them too

stick it all on.
If you can add the census and all the kids that would be great

Jan

[Northern Lass]

I am connecting this up now

[Northern Lass]

The 1891 census records: Living at Terrace Street, Rowley Regis:
Richard Gould, Head, 30
Hannah Gould, Wife, 30
Eliza Gould, daur, 3
Alice Gould, daur, 1
Annie Price, Step Daur, 9
Jane Price, Step Daur, 6
Emma Payne, MotherinLaw, 50

where does it say they are born?

can anyone have a look pls
and can we find out the name of Hannahs father if mother is emma

[Northern Lass]

This can be looked up
1881
PAYNE Hannah PRICE Samuel Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/036/230

and this

1886
GOULD Richard PRICE Hannah Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/002/198

[Genealogy Fan]

All the family on the 1891 census were listed as born in Rowley Regis, Staffs with the exception of Richard Gould who is listed as Dudley, Worcs.

Emma Payne is listed as being a widower and is also listed as a lunatic.

Sue

[Northern Lass]

All the family on the 1891 census were listed as born in Rowley Regis, Staffs with the exception of Richard Gould who is listed as Dudley, Worcs.

Emma Payne is listed as being a widower and is also listed as a lunatic.

Sue

Thanks Sue
have added RR

can you add the census and those marriages and mother Emma to BCC and also add your name if you connect in the notes in the normal way
Connects to :-
Genealogy Fan

add that detail of who it connects to ahead of any other info in there
as it is the first thing that should be in there

so just a reminder to everyone do add your name if you connect
and add it a beg of notes

Sue if you want those marriages looked up stick em on the thread in Look up requests
and I will add em to my list

[Northern Lass]

Ok lets run with this lot a little

who is that mother Emma for Hannah?
Who did Emma Marry

1891 census records: Living at Terrace Street, Rowley Regis:
Richard Gould, Head, 30
Hannah Gould, Wife, 30
Eliza Gould, daur, 3
Alice Gould, daur, 1
Annie Price, Step Daur, 9
Jane Price, Step Daur, 6
Emma Payne, MotherinLaw, 50

here they are on BCC
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =438348455

Hannah is b abt 1863 can we find her with parents

[kdw]

Just a thought could this be them in 1871 if Emma was an unmarried mother
Siviters Lane Rowley Regis
George Payne Head 49 Nailer
Hannah Payne Wife 48 Nailer
Emma Payne Daur. Un Mar. 28 Nailer
George Payne Son 23 Nailer
William Payne Son 17 Nailer
Ann Payne Daur. 15 Nailer
Noah Payne Son 13 Nailer
Josiah Payne Son 11 Scholar
Hannah Payne Daur. 10 Scholar
All born Rowley Regis
They are already on Bcc here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=11751420

[Northern Lass]

So you mean that Emma b 1841 on the 1891 is this one on the 1871
Emma Payne Daur. Un Mar. 28 Nailer

and is that Hannah age 10 our Hannah b 1863 married to Richard?

hmmm might be

[Northern Lass]

can we sort this one and then might be able to join up the tree

can we find this Emma in 1881
Hannah marries in 1881
not sure which qtr
can we find out?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =569103131

1891 census records: Living at Terrace Street, Rowley Regis:
Richard Gould, Head, 30
Hannah Gould, Wife, 30
Eliza Gould, daur, 3
Alice Gould, daur, 1
Annie Price, Step Daur, 9
Jane Price, Step Daur, 6
Emma Payne, MotherinLaw, 50

[Northern Lass]

I think this is Hannah in 1881
she is down as dau again for George and Hannah
but think she is dau of Emma
if no father on those marriage look ups I think it looks good


1881 Hackett St Blackheath, RR
George Payne 61 nailer b RR
Hannah Payne 61 ditto
Emma Payne 41 nailer b Blackheath
John Payne 36 ditto
Hannah Payne 21 ditto

[Northern Lass]

This looks like the birth cert

Births Dec 1860
PAYNE Hannah Dudley 6c 11

[Northern Lass]

will archive this pending marriage look ups
see if a father is on there

[Northern Lass]

Kaye has done the look up for me on this...ta Kaye

and this is a real Pain!....no pun intended


on the Census the mother for Hannah Gould nee Price nee Payne is an Emma Payne b abt 1841

1891 census records: Living at Terrace Street, Rowley Regis:
Richard Gould, Head, 30
Hannah Gould, Wife, 30
Eliza Gould, daur, 3
Alice Gould, daur, 1
Annie Price, Step Daur, 9
Jane Price, Step Daur, 6
Emma Payne, MotherinLaw, 50

we have Hannah on the census but as the dau of a George and Hannah
however there is an Emma down ( as Hannahs sister)

1871 Siviters Lane Rowley Regis(if Emma was an unmarried mother??)
George Payne Head 49 Nailer
Hannah Payne Wife 48 Nailer
Emma Payne Daur. Un Mar. 28 Nailer
George Payne Son 23 Nailer
William Payne Son 17 Nailer
Ann Payne Daur. 15 Nailer
Noah Payne Son 13 Nailer
Josiah Payne Son 11 Scholar
Hannah Payne Daur. 10 Scholar
All born Rowley Regis

1881 Hackett St Blackheath, RR
George Payne 61 nailer b RR
Hannah Payne 61 ditto
Emma Payne 41 nailer b Blackheath
John Payne 36 ditto
Hannah Payne 21 ditto

and the marriage says father for Hannah age 21 is George Payne nailer

did she put down George as father for appearances
is he really her grandfather

what do we think