*UPDATE look up for JO done!*---Jesse Penn

[grangers14]

do you want blood Peter?

[Northern Lass]

do you want blood Peter?

ha ha ha
you tell him Jo

[grangers14]

Eeeh thought he'd be pleased!:wink:
was playing

Anyway, cant see any Phebe Jane Penn?
Have an idea for a marriage for Jesse to Emily though.
1875 RUSSON Emily PAYNE Jesse Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/006/44
Can that be added to look ups or not?
Think I've found Emma Russon and family if you want to run with that?
Jo

[peterd]

one pint or two no harm in double checking and making sure

[peterd]

penn on

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =821537246

[peterd]

As Pinn on ancestry
1891 Census
Maughawls( ?)
Jesse Penn, head, 36, Iron Worker, brierly Hill
Emily, wife, 33, Woodside
George, son, 15, Coal Miner
Samuel, son, 14,
Emma Russon(?), mother in law, W, 58,
Jesse, son, 12,
William, son, 10,
Alfred, son, 8(?)
David, son, 6
Albert, son, 3
Rowland, son, 1

All others born Quarry Bank.
Previous household,
Benjamin Penn, 22, Iron Worker, Quarry Bank
Matilda, wife, 25, Lyd(?) Worcestershire
Hannah, daur, 3, brierly Hill

submitted

Jesse Penn
Birth: About 1855 Brierly Hill, Kingswinford, Stafford,

Father: Jesse Penn
Mother: Susannah or Hannah Walters


extracted

JESSE PENN
Spouse: HANNAH WALTERS
Marriage: 05 DEC 1841 Old Swinford, Worcester

so can we find these in 1851,61 please

[peterd]

1841, Thorns, Kingswinford

Thomas Cartwright, 25, Coal miner
Drusilla, 25,
William, 5,
Ann, 3
Thomas, 1

1851, Quarry Bank, Kingswinford

Thiomas Cartwright, head, 36, Coal Miner
Dreusila, wife, 37,
William, son, 15, Coal Miner
Ann, daur, 13,
Thomas, son, 11, Coal Miner
Eliza, daur, 9,
Hannah, daur, 6,
John, son, 5,
Pheoby, daur, 2,
James, 1m(?)

All born Kingswinford


1861, Highway Road, Kingswinford

Thomas Cartwright, 48, Coal Miner
Dianah, wife, 46,
Ann, daur, 24,
Thomas, 21, Shoe Maker
Eliza, daur, 19, Nailor,
Hannah, daur, 16, Nailor,
John, son, 14, Coal Miner,
James, son, 10, Coal Miner
Emma, daur, 5,
George, son, 1,
Benjamin, Grandson, 1

All born Kingswinford.

1871 Census
Thomas Cartwright, head, 31,
Elizabeth, wife, 26,Stourbridge
John Thomas, son, 2
House previous entry
Drusilla Cartwright, head, w, 56, Charwoman
John, son, 23, Miner
Emma, daur, 13,
Benjamin, son, 12,
George, son, 12
All others born Kingswinford

1881, Merry Hill, Kingswinford

Thomas Cartwright, head, 40, Boot and Shoe Maker
Elizabeth, wife, 37,
Thomas, son, 13,
Annie, daur,5
Matilda, daur,2
Druccella, Mother, 67
George, brother, 21, coal miner, Annuitant

All born Kingswinford


1891, Merry Hill, Kingswinford,

Thomas Cartwright, head, 51, Shoe Maker
Elizabeth, wife, 46,
Annie, daur, 15,


House previous,

1891, Merry Hill, Kingswinford,

George Cartwright, head, 30, Coal Miner
Sarah, wife, 30(?)
Wilfred L, son, 4
Matilda, daur, 11(?says 4 on ancestry but looks like two figures)poss thomas dau 12 ?
Emma, daur, 5,
Catherine Hubble, lodger, 45, Pauper

All born Kingswinford

[peterd]

jo where did you get that george, sarah, and matilda from 1891 ?

as ive got this ?

Thomas Cartwright 51
Elizabeth Cartwright 46
Annie Cartwright 15
Matilda Cartwright 4
Emma Cartwright 5
Catherine Hubble 45

looks like 11 and 5 for emma why go 4 and 5 Ancestry

and this ?

George Cartwright 30
Sarah Cartwright 30
Wilfred L Cartwright 4

[grangers14]

Possible for Jesse??

1881 Census
My (?) Street, Kingswinford
Jesse Penn, head, 59, Iron Worker
Susannah, wife, 56,,
John, son, 20, Iron Worker,
Joseph, son, 16, Iron worker,
Benjamin, son, 12,
Susannah, daur, 10,
All born Brierly Hill.
The house previous
Elizabeth Penn, head, 89, West Bromwich


1871 Census
Z Street, Kingswinford,
Jesse Penn, head, 49, Puddler
Susannah, wife, 46,
Ellen, daur, un married, 23,
Jesse, son, 16, Puddler
Thomas, son, 14,
John, son, 11,
Benjamn, son, 2,
Joseph, son, 6,
Mary, grand daur, 9,
Susannah, Grand daur, 1

1861 Census
Quarry Bank, Kingswinford,
Jesse Penn, head, 37, Nailor
Susannah, wife, 37, Srourbridge
Ann Wooldridge, daur, w, 18, Nailor
Elizabeth, daur, 16, Nailor
Ellen, daur, 13, Nailor
Hannah, daur, 11, Nurse maid
Eliza, daur, 7,
Jesse, son, 6,
Thomas, son, 3,
John, son, 6 months
All others born Kingswinford

1851 Census
Quarry Bank, Kingswinford
Jesse Penn, head, 29, Puddler of Iron
Susannah, wife, 27, Stourbridge
Ann, daur, 8,
Elizabeth, daur, 6,
Ellen, daur, 4,
Hannah, daur, 1
All others born Kingswinford

1841 Census
Bower, Kingswinford
Thomas Penn, 45, Labourer
Elizabeth, 45,
Jesse, 15,
David, 15,
Caroline, 14,
Ellen, 11,
Elizabeth, 9,
Thomas Brooks, 8,
Hannah Brooks, 3
Richard Beddall, 8 months
All born County

The hose next door has Brooks and also a Beddall too
Sheven Brooks, 25, Nailor
Eliza, 25,
Jane, 6,
Susannah, 3,
Mary, 5 months
Joseph Beddall, 25, Nailor, not born county
All others born County

[grangers14]

jo where did you get that george, sarah, and matilda from 1891 ?

as ive got this ?

Thomas Cartwright 51
Elizabeth Cartwright 46
Annie Cartwright 15
Matilda Cartwright 4
Emma Cartwright 5
Catherine Hubble 45

looks like 11 and 5 for emma why go 4 and 5 Ancestry

and this ?

George Cartwright 30
Sarah Cartwright 30
Wilfred L Cartwright 4

I must have been talking a load of rubbish Peter!

Your right.
Jo

[kdw]

Marriage for Phoebe Jane Penn
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1899
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PENN Phoebe J MORRIS George E Quarry Bank, Christ Church Dudley Register Office 016/003/228

1901 28The Croft Dudley
George etc Morris Head 25 Labourer in Iron Works Born Dudley
P Jane Morris Wife 20 Born Dudley

[grangers14]

Oh brilliant kdw!

This may be her birth.
Ph__Be Jane Penn 1881 Jan-Feb-Mar Stourbridge 6c 242

[grangers14]

This may be her in 1881,
My(?) Street, Kingswinford
Thomas Penn, Head, 23, Iron Worker
Matilda, wife, 23,
Pheobe, daur, 1 month
All born Quarry Bank

[peterd]

This may be her in 1881,
My(?) Street, Kingswinford
Thomas Penn, Head, 23, Iron Worker
Matilda, wife, 23,
Pheobe, daur, 1 month
All born Quarry Bank

so phebe is jesse jrn cousin as thomas and jesse srn are brothers ?

[grangers14]

I wonder if Pheobe Jane is a cousin? There is a thomas aged 14 in 1871?
Possible for John and Matilda Dec 1879 Matilda Pearson
Jo
had to change this. Just put my head back on