*Arc tbc*--George Cutler and family Query

[peterd]

NOTE BY NL
Have split this from Marks ancestors( not very successfully I am afraid hence adding to Petes post... )

Ok we have a Query on this lot.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =935474164

We have a George Cutler b abt 1846 Oldbury we think
married to a Mary O'Brian 1871
Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Church Of England, All Saints Church, Hockley Street

now can we establish that his father is a William Cutler who is born about 1820 and marries a Sarah Unknown
This Sarah needs to be verified is she a Smith/Clarke what is her name!

So how Many Georges are there?
Which is the birth regis for George?
Did the George married to Mary O'brian have father William?

the following is what we have and I have more to add from the other topic...so min

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http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =537528361

THOMAS CUTLER
Marriages:
Spouse: NANCY DEARN
Marriage: 12 JUN 1791 Halesowen, Worcester,
Extracted


kids thomas and nancy (all extracted)


DANIEL CUTLER
Christening: 30 OCT 1791 Halesowen, Worcester

WILLIAM CUTLER
Christening: 28 JUL 1793 Halesowen, Worcester,

TIMOTHY CUTLER
Christening: 23 JAN 1795 Halesowen, Worcester,

MARY CUTLER
Christening: 16 APR 1797 Halesowen, Worcester

JOHN CUTTLER (poss died young ?)
Christening: 24 OCT 1802 Halesowen, Worcester

GEORGE CUTTLER
Christening: 13 NOV 1808 Halesowen, Worcester,

JOHN CUTLER
Christening: 28 OCT 1810 Halesowen, Worcester

THOMAS CUTTLER
Christening: 03 MAY 1812 Halesowen, Worcester

JAMES CUTTLER
Christening: 10 SEP 1815 Halesowen, Worcester,
Death: 02 OCT 1825



note there also about 10 kids the same time for a thomas and ann

christening and marriage for mary/ maria


MARY CUTLER
Christening: 16 APR 1797 Halesowen, Worcester


MARIA CUTTLER
ABDEN HADLEY
Marriage: 15 NOV 1819 Halesowen, Worcester

[peterd]

william cutler 1820


WILLIAM CUTTLER
Christening: 07 MAY 1820 Halesowen, Worcester,


Father: DANIEL CUTTLER
Mother: SARAH


poss siblings

SARAH CUTLER
Christening: 07 SEP 1823 Halesowen, Worcester,

MARIA CUTTLER
Christening: 20 JUN 1817 Halesowen, Worcester,

poss parents marriage

DANIEL CUTTLER
SARAH FARR
Marriage: 14 MAR 1817 Harborne, Stafford

all extracted


note there are more than 1 daniel cutler who this marriage could be for need marriage look up to check witnesses

eg

DANIEL CUTLER
Christening: 19 AUG 1792 Halesowen, Worcester, England

Father: JAMES CUTLER
Mother: ELIZABETH

[peterd]

right cannot find christening for george c 1846

nor a marriage for his parents william cutler and sarah clarke

bcc http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =741093007


but found 1881 census so can we trace them back and forward please

george and his wife mary o brien

1881, Baldwin St Pt H, Harborne, Stafford

George CUTLER 34 Oldbury, Stafford, Brick Layer Lab
Mary CUTLER 32 Handsworth, Stafford,
Mary O BRIEN Mother W 63 Handsworth, Stafford,
Luke CUTLER 6 Smethwick, Stafford, Scholar
John CUTLER 4 m Smethwick, Stafford,


poss marriage

Marriages Sep 1871
Cutler George Birmingham 6d 33
O'BRIEN Mary Birmingham 6d 33

[peterd]

still cannot find that marriage for william cutler sarah clarke nearest i cuold find was this ?


Marriages Dec 1847

BASTABLE Eliza Birmingham 16 445
Bate Charlotte Birmingham 16 445
BING Thomas Birmingham 16 445
BUMBY Eliza Birmingham 16 445
Bumford Eliza Birmingham 16 445
CLARKE Mary Ann Birmingham 16 445
CUTLER William Birmingham 16 445
PARTRIDGE John Birmingham 16 445
Smith Sarah Birmingham 16 445
WILCOX Thomas Birmingham 16 445

[peterd]

right cannot find christening for george c 1846

nor a marriage for his parents william cutler and sarah clarke

bcc http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =741093007


but found 1881 census so can we trace them back and forward please

george and his wife mary o brien

1881, Baldwin St Pt H, Harborne, Stafford

George CUTLER 34 Oldbury, Stafford, Brick Layer Lab
Mary CUTLER 32 Handsworth, Stafford,
Mary O BRIEN Mother W 63 Handsworth, Stafford,
Luke CUTLER 6 Smethwick, Stafford, Scholar
John CUTLER 4 m Smethwick, Stafford,


poss marriage

Marriages Sep 1871
Cutler George Birmingham 6d 33
O'BRIEN Mary Birmingham 6d 33

Yes Pete you are quite right we do need this
had it now
if we can verify this lot that is the cutlers is it?

1891 grove st harborne

George Cutler 43 oldbury- labourer
Mary Cutler 37 handsworth-washer
Luke Cutler 16 bham-ironworker
John T Cutler 10 smethwick
Mary A Cutler 8 smethwick
Gertrude E Cutler 2 smethwick

[peterd]

found this 1861

William Cutter 41 kings norton
Sarah Cutter 34 kings norton
George Cutter 14 bham
Matilda Cutter 12 bham
Damel Cutter 6 bham
Joseph Cutter 4 bham
Sarah Cutter 1 bham
Elizabeth Cutter 1 bham

dont think this is out george but look good for william cutler sarah smith poss marr c1847 above ?

[Northern Lass]

right cannot find christening for george c 1846

nor a marriage for his parents william cutler and sarah clarke

bcc http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =741093007


but found 1881 census so can we trace them back and forward please

george and his wife mary o brien

1881, Baldwin St Pt H, Harborne, Stafford

George CUTLER 34 Oldbury, Stafford, Brick Layer Lab
Mary CUTLER 32 Handsworth, Stafford,
Mary O BRIEN Mother W 63 Handsworth, Stafford,
Luke CUTLER 6 Smethwick, Stafford, Scholar
John CUTLER 4 m Smethwick, Stafford,


poss marriage

Marriages Sep 1871
Cutler George Birmingham 6d 33
O'BRIEN Mary Birmingham 6d 33

I think that this is him

1861

William Cutter 41 kings norton
Sarah Cutter 34 kings norton
George Cutter 14 bham
Matilda Cutter 12 bham
Damel Cutter 6 bham
Joseph Cutter 4 bham
Sarah Cutter 1 bham
Elizabeth Cutter 1 bham

the name Daniel is there
and here is the family in 1851
William age 4 should say George ..error

1851 tatbank lane Oldbury

William Cutler 31
Sarah Cutler 25 b kings norton
William Cutler 4 .............should say George
Matilda Cutler 3
William Cutler 1

so I think that sits George in this family in 51 and 61
is he the Geoge that marries a Mary O'brian/

Do you have the marriage cert Mark?
Does the Geoge that marries Mary Obrian have a father William poss a labourer

[MarkCDodd]

Okay...double checking....I usually have two sources before I accept the information as Gospel but I do let certain people enter things for me.

Of the 9 trees I can see on Ancestry, only one has the parent listed and they match mine but there is no verification done.

[MarkCDodd]

George Cutler - Mary O'Brien marriage is transcribed wrong in IGI.

Batch M071424 Source Call 0918922. Mary O'Brien marriage to George Catler.

The marriage is registered in Warwickshire and is Volume 6d Page 33 for the 3rd QTR 1871.

I do not have the certificate as I will only spend $20 if I need more information or a second source of verification.

SInce both the BMD and IGI match, I am happy that the marriage is correct.

[MarkCDodd]

Somebody sent me the marriage certificate of George's brother, Joseph, to a Sarah Clarke on 26th OCt 1878 in Harborne.

George is a witness. The father of the groom is William Cutler, labourer.

[Northern Lass]

On the 1881 George is with Mary he puts b Oldbury
this could be the birth regis
that would have his mothers name

1846
CUTLER George Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/8/253

[MarkCDodd]

I am talking to a living Cutler who lives in West Brom and supplied most of the information to me.

That is why I have not bothered with a lot of the certificate he is of the same lineage (his Great Grandfather was George's brother Joseph) and has been researching the tree for a very long time.

IF he has the certificate then the answer willc ome in an hour or so.

If I order the certificate it will be at least 10 days...

[Northern Lass]

That marriage for George and Mary O'brian would be good too if he has that

let us know what he has and the info
so need George birth cert
and
George Marriage

Marriages Sep 1871
Cutler George Birmingham 6d 33
O'BRIEN Mary Birmingham 6d 33

[Northern Lass]

Still waiting to hear from Mr Cutler. He must be away somewhere...

Just added copy of this Mark so I know what we are waiting for

so on this one need marriage for George Cutler and Mary Obrian
dont send for that if mr Cutler doesnt have it might be able to get access to that....

and we need Georges birth certif ideally
I think it is that Sarah Smith one as mother dont you?

[MarkCDodd]

I have both the marriage and birth certs.

Marriage: 10th September 1871.

Groom: George Cutler a bachelor aged 25 and a labourer. Father is William Cutler, also a labourer.

Bride: Mary O'Brien a spinster aged 25 and a chandelier burnisher. Father is ????, a labourer.


Birth Certifcate: 18th May 1846. Name: George. Father: William Cutler, a nailor. Mother: Sarah Cutler formerly Clarke. Registered: 30 May 1846.

I think that resolves the issue.

Like I said, I do not like to spend $20 getting a certificate if the source I get the information from is good.

Mr Cutler has researched the tree well and I knew he had the certificates to back it up.