*UPDATE look up done for KDW* -William Payne b abt 1790

[Northern Lass]

Can anyone find this William Payne on a prev census
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =501840743

I think we have a connection with an Ann Payne b 1821 on BCC and Laura Payne
they may be sisters

on the marriage of Ann Payne her father is a William Payne Hingemaker and on the census
living in 1871 is William Payne something maker
area is halesowen

1871 - High St., Rowley Regis
Samuel Adams Head 45 Nailmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Lora Adams wife 42 Nailmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Adams son 20 (b. 1851) Nailmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Adams daur 17 (b. 1854) Nailmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Mary Adams daur 15 (b. 1856) Nailmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Annie Adams daur 10 (b. 1861) Nailmaker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Noah Adams son 8 (b. 1863) b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
William Adams son 5 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Adams son 3 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Solomon Adams son 6 months b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
William Payne Father-in-law widower 81 (b. 1790) ....maker b. Worcs., Halesowen

here is Ann payne
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =573141721

and
1841: Village, Rowley Regis
Joseph Adams 20 Nailer
Ann Adams 20

Children
Josiah Adams 11 Mo

Living 4 doors away -Ann`s Parents?

William Paynes 50 Wright Hinger?
Elizabeth Paynes 50
William Paynes 20
Eliza Paynes 15
Laura Paynes 12
(n) none born in county

I think Laura Payne who married Samuel Adams
and
Ann Payne who married Joseph Adams are sisters
and
are Joseph Adams and Samuel Adams bros with father James

based on that census I am linking Laura and Ann and going to look up this marriage
1846 ADAMS * Samuel PAINE Laura Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/007/246

but prev census would be good just to check laura is not with William father

[kdw]

On 1841 there is a William age 20
Could this be them in 1851
Blackheath
William Payne Head 32 Nailer Born Halesowen
Eliza Payne Wife 32 Born Rowley
William Payne Lodger 61 Nailer born Halesowen
Elizabeth Payne Wife 66 Nailer Born Halesowen
William Payne Nephew 15 Nailer Born Halesowen

[kdw]

Possibles
Baptisms
St Johns Halesowen
2nd January 1813
James so William and Elizabeth Payne of Halesowen Hingemaker

28th May 1815
David so William and Elizabeth Payne , Borough Hingemaker

6th Sept 1818
William so William and Elizabeth Payne, Hasbury Nailer(Not sure about this one)

1st January 1830
Laura do William and Elizabeth Payne, Moor Street, Hinge Maker

[Northern Lass]

nice one Kaye
so we have linked correctly

[Northern Lass]

Possibles
Baptisms
St Johns Halesowen
2nd January 1813
James so William and Elizabeth Payne of Halesowen Hingemaker

28th May 1815
David so William and Elizabeth Payne , Borough Hingemaker

6th Sept 1818
William so William and Elizabeth Payne, Hasbury Nailer(Not sure about this one)

1st January 1830
Laura do William and Elizabeth Payne, Moor Street, Hinge Maker

can anyone add these bapts if they got a min

[kdw]

Added baptisms to connections

2 possible marriages

WILLIAM PAIN
Spouse: ELIZABETH ALLEN Family
Marriage: 25 DEC 1811 Clent, Worcester, England

WILLIAM PAYNE
Spouse: ELIZABETH SMITH Family
Marriage: 02 SEP 1811 Kingswinford, Stafford, England

[kdw]

Possible marriage for David Payne
DAVID PAYNE
Spouse: PHOEBE HAYCOCK Family
Marriage: 12 JUL 1835 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

1841 Warley Wigorn
David Payne 25 Nailer not born in county
Phebe Payne 20 Born in county
Elizabeth Payne 4 Born in county
Sarah Payne 2 Born in county

1851 Low Quinton
David Payne Head 36 Nail forger
Phebe Payne Wife 33 Nail forger
Elizabeth Payne Daur. 14 Nail forger
Sarah Payne Daur. 12 Nail forger
William Payne Son 9
John Payne Son 7
Myra Pain Daur 5
Thomas Pain son 2
All born Halesowen

1861 Quinton
David Payne Head 46 Nail Maker
Phoebe Payne Wife 43 Nail Maker
Sarah Payne Daur. 22 Nail Maker
William Payne son 19 Nail Maker
John Payne Son 17 Nail Maker
Myrah Payne Daur. 14 Nail Maker
Thomas Payne Son 11 Nail Maker
Ann Payne Daur. 7 Scholar
Lucy Payne Daur. 5 Scholar
All born Ridgeacre Halesowen
Next door is
Charles Haycock Head 38 Nail Maker Born Lapal
Hannah Haycock Wife 36 Nail Maker Born Ridgeacre Halesowen
Caroline Coley Daur.14 Born Ridgeacre Halesowen
Thomas Haycock Son 5 Born Ridgeacre Halesowen

1871 Quinton
David Payne Head 57 Nail maker Born Halesowen
Pheobe Payne Wife 54 Nail Maker Born Quinton
Annie Payne Daur. 17 Nail Maker Born Quinton
Lucy Payne Daur.15 Nail Maker Born Quinton
David Payne Son 8 Scholar Born Quinton

1881 Lower Quinton
David Payne Head 66 Nailer Born Halesowen
Pheobe Payne Wife 63 Nailer Born Quinton
Ann Payne Daur. 27 Nailer Born Quinton
Lucy Payne Daur. 25 Nailer Born Quinton
David Payne Son 18 Grocer Born Quinton

[kdw]

Possible marriage for James Payne
JAMES PAYNE
Spouse: LUCY HAYCOCK Family
Marriage: 08 APR 1833 Halesowen, Worcester, England

James Payne otp bach and Lucy Haycock otp spin
James X Payne and Lucy X Haycock
Wit: William X Yeomans and Hannah X Gould

1841 Nordgate? Northfiled
James Payne 25 Nailer
Lucey Payne 25
William Payne 6
Martha Payne 3
Mirah Payne 1
None born in County

[Northern Lass]

Hey guys where we up to on this one

has any of this been added to BCC?
if not can anyone add any relevant info please?
shame to waste a drop!

[kdw]

Can you add the marriages for lookups please and i will fill in BCC later
Kaye

[Northern Lass]

Can you add the marriages for lookups please and i will fill in BCC later
Kaye

added the Laura Paine to Samuel adams
and the 1811 William Paine to Elizabeth at Kingswinford
can do the clent one...nudge me to remind me..got the book
cant do the birm one

so think that is all of em added just dble check will ya

[kdw]

All info added
Do we need this now?

[Northern Lass]

Done the look up on this thread for Kdw

2nd Sept 1811 KIngswinford<br>
William Payne otp<br>
Elizabeth Smith ots<br>
banns<br>
Wit- Margaret Probardes?/ John ??? Thos Walker<br><br>

and then at Clent this one

25 Dec 1811 Clent<br>
William X Pain bachy of the Parish of Rowley Regis and <br>
Elizabeth X Allen Spinster ots <br>
banns<br>
Wit - James X Preedy/ Jephthah Craddock<br>

I think it is the latter one with them being from RR
I thinkg this might have been when they had to go to Clent to get married as the vicar was based there that looked after RR St Giles
Yep Lyttleton Perry was the vicar during this time...just checked

[kdw]

Do you want to archive this?
Kaye