*Arc tbc* -Benjamin Brettell 1778 - 1845 uncompleted archive

[dumblonde]

New info re: Benjamin - BCC needs tweaking!
I have just found his will - proved 4/4/1845. He was a tailor of Islington, Halesowen.
Beneficiaries are:

Susannah - his wife
Mary Ann Barnet or poss Barret (indistinct) wife of Samuel - his daughter
Eliza Brettell -daughter married at time of proof wife of Henry (Fernie) indistinct
Matilda Brettell - daughter married at the time of proof wife of Matthew Granger ( m 'Mar' 1842)
Ann - daughter wife of Charles Mason (m 16/1/1834 Halesowen)
and other daughters
no mention of any sons
So......if you look at the archived entries it is now obvious that there are two Benjamins, because this one could not have married Nancy Hardeman, even though her Benjamin was a widower and possibly older than her.
Could someone look up 1841 census and find out where Benjamin and Susannah were? They had property in Islington and High Street Halesowen.

As to Benjamin and Nancy:
I think that their son Josiah b1838 m Myriam Lawe at St Thomas Dudley 2/11/1863 and that their children were:
Maria
Jesse m Jane Unknown ( monumental inscription on black obelisk St Lukes Cradley Heath Jesse d 29/8/1938 aged 78 & Jane d 5/10/1843)
Josiah
David m Elsie Brettle
Myra
Levi
Can anyone check this out on censuses?

[peterd]

here the link

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =327508669

[Northern Lass]

So hang on why cant that one on that link be the benj who married nancy and then Nancy remarried Joseph fowler

and then we need the other Benj with a susannah and dying in 1845
so that link with those kids are ok?

[dumblonde]

Hi Peter and Northernlass
I agree the Benjamin on BCC who married Nancy is ok apart from the bit about poss married to Susannah. We now need to check census for the other Benj and Susannah in Halesowen, agreed?

[peterd]

New info re: Benjamin - BCC needs tweaking!
I have just found his will - proved 4/4/1845. He was a tailor of Islington, Halesowen.
can you put a link onto his will if possible please

Beneficiaries are:

Susannah - his wife
Mary Ann Barnet or poss Barret (indistinct) wife of Samuel - his daughter

MARY ANN BRETTELL
SAMUEL BARNETT
Marriage: 26 APR 1825 Halesowen, Worcester,

Eliza Brettell -daughter married at time of proof wife of Henry (Fernie) indistinct

BRETTELL Eliza FERNIE Henry 1838 Stourbridge Register Office West Midlands Dudley Register Office 001/002/6


Matilda Brettell - daughter married at the time of proof wife of Matthew Granger ( m 'Mar' 1842)

BRETTELL Matilda GRANGER Matthew 1842 Stourbridge Register Office West Midlands Dudley Register Office 001/002/12


Ann - daughter wife of Charles Mason (m 16/1/1834 Halesowen)

ANN BRETTELL
CHARLES MASON
Marriage: 16 JAN 1834 Halesowen, Worcester,





and other daughters

no mention of any sons doesnt mean he had no sons just they didnt get owt or poss no sons ?

So......if you look at the archived entries it is now obvious that there are two Benjamins,
because this one could not have married Nancy Hardeman, even though her Benjamin was a widower and possibly older than her.

Could someone look up 1841 census and find out where Benjamin and Susannah were? They had property in Islington and High Street Halesowen.



As to Benjamin and Nancy:

I think that their son Josiah b1838 m Myriam Lawe at St Thomas Dudley 2/11/1863 and that their children were:
Maria
Jesse m Jane Unknown ( monumental inscription on black obelisk St Lukes Cradley Heath Jesse d 29/8/1938 aged 78 & Jane d 5/10/1843)

Josiah
David m Elsie Brettle
Myra
Levi

Can anyone check this out on censuses?

[dumblonde]

Will of Benjamin Brettell, Tailor, of Halesowen found at Worcester History Centre on Microfilm, proved 4/4/1845

[peterd]

poss children of benjamin and susannah brettle


JOHN BRETTELL
Christening: 16 JUL 1802 Halesowen, Worcester,

MARY BRETTLE
Christening: 03 AUG 1800 Halesowen, Worcester,

MARY ANN BRETTEL
Christening: 04 MAY 1806 Halesowen, Worcester,

SARAH BRETTLE
Christening: 03 AUG 1800 Halesowen, Worcester,

ANN BRETTLE
Christening: 22 APR 1798 Halesowen, Worcester,

[peterd]

poss more kids of benjamin and susannah christend at different church than previous lot


ELIZA BRETTELL
Birth: 06 AUG 1809
Christening: 31 OCT 1809 Independent, Halesowen, Shropshire,

METILDA BRETTELL
Birth: 18 APR 1814
Christening: 24 APR 1814 Independent, Halesowen, Shropshire,

BENJAMIN BRETTELL
Birth: SEP 1811 Independent, Halesowen, Shropshire,

[peterd]

looks like ablewall or ablewell street walsall


1841

Benjamen Brittell 60
Susana Brittell 60

next door

1841

Charoles Mason 45
Ann Mason 40 (poss nee brettle)
George Mason 15

[Northern Lass]

So we have 2 Benjamin Brettells then

The one that Marrried susannah you can add that info if you wish DB

Benjamin Brettle married Susannah Grainger on 20 Nov 1796 St Thomas Dudley<br>
-Benjamin Brettell ofp bach<br>
-Susannah Grainger ots<br>
-banns<br>
-both signed<br>
Wit- Nancy Grainger and M. Bond ( he is I belive something to do with the church)<br><br>

then the kids that you know are theirs

I have altered the info in notes on the Benj with Nancy

[Northern Lass]

Ok dumblonde where are ya?

can you add that marrige info for Susannah and that will and connect up what needs doing
or can anyone else please...

also this looks like the death for the one married to Nancy hardman
would be good to know his dob

Deaths Dec 1839
BRITTLE Benjamin Dudley 18 201

[MaryBrettell]

I just posted a reply to this and can't see it - got some message about it going to DRAFTS...??

Anyway, I edplained that I am conducting a one name study on BRETTELL and variants.
I have a website at www.brettell.info (click on BRETTELL in left hand menu)
the will you found refers to the union of Benjamin Brettell and Susannah GRANGER - details of this family have previously been posted by others.

I can't find the earliest posts for this topic??

Regards

Mary Brettell
Brisbane, Aus

[Northern Lass]

I just posted a reply to this and can't see it - got some message about it going to DRAFTS...??

Anyway, I edplained that I am conducting a one name study on BRETTELL and variants.
I have a website at http://www.brettell.info (click on BRETTELL in left hand menu)
the will you found refers to the union of Benjamin Brettell and Susannah GRANGER - details of this family have previously been posted by others.

I can't find the earliest posts for this topic??

Regards

Mary Brettell
Brisbane, Aus

Hi Mary welcome to the forum.

Put your link on the useful links and put a post in general discussion mentioning your study

plus add your info to surnames
that way we cover all the bases.
any earlier discussion is probably in the black country archives if you do a search on benjamin brettle or brettell but we have so
many posts might not be easy to find straight away.

[peterd]

I just posted a reply to this and can't see it - got some message about it going to DRAFTS...??

Anyway, I edplained that I am conducting a one name study on BRETTELL and variants.
I have a website at http://www.brettell.info (click on BRETTELL in left hand menu)
the will you found refers to the union of Benjamin Brettell and Susannah GRANGER - details of this family have previously been posted by others.

I can't find the earliest posts for this topic??

Regards

Mary Brettell
Brisbane, Aus

hi mary welcome see you found you way to the site

[Northern Lass]

Can we just check the following as if we feel it is good it needs entering...and connections made

info from a source

If the Benjamin who married Susannah Granger was the son of Benjamin Brettell & Nancy Partridge
and christened in Bromsgrove 1776 -making him the grandson of Thomas Brettell & Mary Chance).
then he needs adding with mother and father here...
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =750002156

This is the Benjamin Brettell, tailor of Islington Halesowen with the 1845 will
death 27/3/1845 (Stourbridge Mar qtr 1845 18/404)
age at death given (67) in PR (NBI) is two years out.

Benjamin Brettell who married Nancy Hardemann in 1818 was the son of John Brettell and Joan Chambers (a widow when she married John)
christened 10/3/1782.
This Benjamin was a widow when he married Nancy Hardemann.
Prob the Benjamin who died Dec qtr 1839 (Dudley 18/201).

So do we think this checks out?
looks good to me and from a very good source!

If so someone needs to add this to BCC
along with the Benj and suz grainger info re marriage

if you can do it DB great if you don't have the time if we can see what we think and then we can enter it
I have a load of look ups to get thru so if not added I will try at some stage
shame to waste this