*Arc tbc* -John Alwen

[Northern Lass]

Have done a look up for Mary Ann

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =771924060

can we find wife of William Alwen the father and mother of John Alwen
they are farmers on marr in 1848 at Wordsley

also he is a widower
who was he prev married to

[Rob]

John Alwen married Sarah Webb June 1838 Holy Trinity Wordsley Dudley Reg. 018/001/89

1841 Kingswinford
John Alwen head 30 Farmer born Tatfield Surrey
Sarah Alwen 25
Mary Alwen 13
Frances Alwen 12
Sarah Alwen 1

[Northern Lass]

John Alwen married Sarah Webb June 1838 Holy Trinity Wordsley Dudley Reg. 018/001/89

1841 Kingswinford
John Alwen head 30 Farmer born Tatfield Surrey
Sarah Alwen 25
Mary Alwen 13
Frances Alwen 12
Sarah Alwen 1

looks good Bob

rite find em on the 1851 John and his wife Frances
if we have those kids we got a match


death for Sarah betw 1841-1848

[Northern Lass]

lookin very good

Deaths Mar 1848
Alwen Sarah Stourbridge 18 444

[Northern Lass]

John Alwen married Sarah Webb June 1838 Holy Trinity Wordsley Dudley Reg. 018/001/89

1841 Kingswinford
John Alwen head 30 Farmer born Tatfield Surrey
Sarah Alwen 25
Mary Alwen 13
Frances Alwen 12
Sarah Alwen 1

who are those kids
sibs to John?

FRANCES SOPHIA ALWEN
Christening: 29 NOV 1829 Tatsfield, Surrey,
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM ALWEN
Mother: MARY
Extracted birth

MARY ELIZABETH ALWEN Christening: 17 JUN 1827 Tatsfield, Surrey,
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM ALWEN
Mother: MARY
Extracted birth


Johns father was William

and then John and Sarahs kid

SARAH ELIZABETH ALWEN
Christening: 22 MAR 1840 Kingswinford And St. Marys Chapelry, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: JOHN ALWEN
Mother: SARAH
Extracted birth

[Rob]

That age of John Alwen 1841 should be 20 not 30!!
Those kids ages seem old for his kids as well.

[grangers14]

1871 Census
Buckpool, Alwens Farm, Kingswinford
John Alwen, head, 52, Farmer of 45 acres emplying 3 men, Surry Tatfield
Frances, wife, 47, Cradley
Noah, son, 19, Coal Dealer, Kingswinford
Frances, daur, 18, Kingswinford
Job, son, 13, Kingswinford
Moses, son, 9, Kingswinford
William Griffin, servant 18, Farm labourer, Salop Bobbington

1861 Census
Wordsley, Kingswinford
John Alwin, head, 43, Farmer of 10 acres employing 3 men 1 boy, Surrey Tatfield
Frances, wife, 39, Cradley
Caroline Robinson, daur, M, 19,
Mary A, daur, 18,
Fanny, daur, 11,
Noah, son, 9,
Job, son, 4,
Mark, son, 2,
Moses, son, 4 months
Thomas Scott, servant, 19, servant, linow(?)
Charles Banner, servant, 25, Stourbridge
Thomas Banner, servant, 15
All others born Kingswinford

1851 Census
Wordsley, Kingswinford,
As Alcock on ancestry
John Alwen, head, 33, Farmer of 50 acres emplying 4 men, Surrey (NK)
Frances, wife, 27, Cradley
Sarah, daur, 11,
Caroline, daur, 8,
Mary Ann, daur, 7,
Fanny, 1, daur,
Charles, son, 2 months
Ellen Lowe, serv, 17, House Servant
All others born Kingswinford

[Jimmy]

Extracted.

JOHN ALWEN.
SARAH NORRISH.
Marriage, 25 APR 1833, Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey.

[Jimmy]

JOHN ALWEN.
Christening: 03 MAY 1818, Tatsfield, Surrey.

Parents:
WILLIAM ALWEN.
MARY.

WILLIAM ALWEN.
Marriages:
MARY BURROWS.
Marriage: 05 JUL 1812. Saint Peter Or Collegiate, Wolverhampton, Stafford,




5/Jul/1812,
William Alwen. b.
Mary Burrows. s.
Lic.
Witnesses, Maria Idien/John Burrows.
William of Chelsham, Surrey.

[Rob]

Where do you get all those marriages from Jimmy the Cat?
Ancestry?

[Jimmy]

Hi Rob,

From the IGI, and,
http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/ ... ilyhistory

[Northern Lass]

Extracted.

JOHN ALWEN.
SARAH NORRISH.
Marriage, 25 APR 1833, Saint John The Baptist, Croydon, Surrey.

so 2 marriages one in 1838
one in 1833

which one?

and can anyone add any of this that is relevant
need to sort out which marriage for John and Sarah though

[Northern Lass]

John Alwen married Sarah Webb June 1838 Holy Trinity Wordsley Dudley Reg. 018/001/89

1841 Kingswinford
John Alwen head 30 Farmer born Tatfield Surrey
Sarah Alwen 25
Mary Alwen 13
Frances Alwen 12
Sarah Alwen 1

will add this one for look up father should be a William farmer
or it will be the other marriage
I think it might be this one but need to be sure
so any thoughts?

[grangers14]

I have just started adding some children and census details for this. I come across this that makes it a little confusing?
IGI extracted, Parents John and Sarah
MARY ANN ALWEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 08 NOV 1845 Kingswinford And St. Marys Chapelry, Stafford, England

2. JOHN THOMAS ALWEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 APR 1839 Kingswinford And St. Marys Chapelry, Stafford, England

3. NOAH ALWEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JAN 1848 Kingswinford And St. Marys Chapelry, Stafford, England

4. SARAH ELIZABETH ALWEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 MAR 1840 Kingswinford And St. Marys Chapelry, Stafford, England

5. CAROLINE ALWEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 NOV 1841 Kingswinford And St. Marys Chapelry, Stafford, England

6. WILLIAM ALWEN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 OCT 1845 Kingswinford And St. Marys Chapelry, Stafford, England

[grangers14]

Nop, dont listen to me! Looks like a lot died very young. naming later children the same.
Jo