*ARC TBC* - - Coal Mines in Darlaston

[Alan]

Even I get confused and I was born and reared in the place. King's Hill is in the no-man's land between Darlaston and Wednesbury. Technically it's in Wednesbury but King's Hill School became part of Darlaston Community School for example. I know that there are some Darlaston mining records in Walsall but I am not sure about Wednesbury - anyone any ideas?

As far as subsidence is concerned there is quite a dip in the A462 between Darlaston and Wednesbury (where Rubery Owen used to be) and my father told me that was subsidence - but is that just a legend?

[Alan]

Maths girl,

Read opening lines of the original post in this thread again ... I'm not sure that the detailed maps exist. From what I have been told by older members of the family there were holes in the ground all over the place.

When I was a lad I always thought that the nearest mine was in Cannock - 25 miles away. It was only when I saw a 1901 map of Darlaston fairly recently that I realised that there was a pit head about 50 yds away from our back door.

[ChrisR]

Is it the Coal Board that solicitors consult when they are doing a mining search for a property purchase? They may have maps detailing who the pit owners were, but it may just be the locations of the pits that are recorded.

Might be worth a phone call or e-mail though.

Edit - there is a phone number on this page http://www.coal.gov.uk/services/scaleofcharges.cfm

[peterd]

i would send or pay a visit to the local council to make sure that no map exist of the old mine working if there are maps around they will point you in the right direction, i would go of hearsay ?

[peterd]

try this site alan map with old pits marked you might able to pinpoint kings hill

http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/ ... Growth.htm

[peterd]

try this site its sells maps one here dated 1901 with indivual house noted might have the pit head on if still around


Here are the details of maps for Darlaston:


Staffordshire Sheet 63.13 Darlaston & King's Hill 1901 - published 1986; introduction by John Maddison
This detailed map covers the centre of Darlaston, and extends southward to King's Hill, and SW to Old Moxley. Other districts shown include Butcroft, Woods Bank and Fallings Heath.

Features include the LNWR Darlaston Branch (but no stations), tramways and depot, Darlaston Town Hall, St Lawrence's church, Leys bolt and nut works, London bolt and nute works, Herberts Park Colliery (disused), Darlaston Pits, Lodge Holes Colliery, Cock Heath, Moxley, All Saints church, Moxley Sand Beds, Bull's Bridge Iron Works, Moxley Steel & Iron Works, stretch of Walsall Canal, isolation hospital, Old Park Iron Works, Old Park Colliery, King's Hill Foundry, old shafts, several other bolt and nut works, Forge Pool Colliery etc. On the reverse we include extracts from an early directory.



http://www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk/acatal ... _area.html

[Alan]

Maths girl, I have just re-read your previous post:

So two possible mines in 1880:

221 King's. Hill, Wednesbury, Bayley and Hunt.

222 King's. Hill, Wednesbury, Joseph Springthorpe.

and two possibles in 1896
Wednesbury, Old Park owned by Jas. and Jno. Hunt, King's Hill,
Situation ............... Wednesbury Owner .................. Fullford, Cotterill, and Dowen

Did you take the reference to the Fullford, Cotterill, and Dowen pit from this thread, the Peak District Mines Historical Society document or have you found a brand new reference somewhere?

try this site its sells maps one here dated 1901 with indivual house noted might have the pit head on if still around ... Here are the details of maps for Darlaston:

Staffordshire Sheet 63.13 Darlaston & King's Hill 1901 - published 1986; introduction by John Maddison

This is the map I was referring to when I said that I had seen a 1901 map - I couldn't remember the 1896 bit - mines are marked but I can't tell which may have belonged to who.

Can I just thank you all for your ideas and your support.

Alan

[Alan]

Darlaston Mines.jpg (41.09 KiB) Viewed 4970 times

Just for info: the red circle is King's Hill, the green circle is the place where the block of flats collapsed - so much for searches!

However, there is only one dot at King's Hill and all of the info highlighted in this thread suggests that there should be more. I've known of the HIstory of Darlaston site for a while and I got quite excited when I first saw the mine marked on this map but now it is just dot!

[Maths girl]

Maths girl, I have just re-read your previous post:

So two possible mines in 1880:

221 King's. Hill, Wednesbury, Bayley and Hunt.

222 King's. Hill, Wednesbury, Joseph Springthorpe.

and two possibles in 1896
Wednesbury, Old Park owned by Jas. and Jno. Hunt, King's Hill,
Situation ............... Wednesbury Owner .................. Fullford, Cotterill, and Dowen

Did you take the reference to the Fullford, Cotterill, and Dowen pit from this thread, the Peak District Mines Historical Society document or have you found a brand new reference somewhere?

Alan

Alan
It came from your initial post - I was just regrouping info and I am still getting the hang of forum systems- Sorry if I raised your hopes of a new source -

Maths girl

[carl.H]

I live in the area and have been interested in these old mine workings for some time, there are some posts on here that give good sources of information, but the problem is that there were so many mines legal and illegal, and most of the early ones were not recorded.
The ones that are recorded only show were the shaft was sunk and not the actual under ground workings and most of these workings were dangerously close to other workings or abandoned and flooded workings that accidents did happen but not all were recorded.
my own research has led me to belive that early workings were cotrolled by the family of oakswell hall in wednesbury as a levey was payed to them for each ton removed.
there were mines at (rough area) kings hill, catherines cross, dangerfield lane, most of moxley, moorcroft wood, willingsworth, monway fields to name but a few.
I have seen the mine in the (sana) moorcroft wood when the water level fell due to open cast mining at the patent shaft but even the map positioning for this mine is at least 80 - 100 metres out judging by this you have got a mamouth task to prove your facts.
good luck.

[Antie Em]

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