UPDATE look up done for PETER!-ONIONS,BROWN, TIFT and WALKER

[Maths girl]

1881 8 Woodwards Bldgs Darlaston, Stafford

William B. BROWN M Male 48 Walsall, Stafford, Hinge Caster
Ann BROWN M Female 42 Walsall, Stafford,
Mary A. BROWN 24 Walsall, Stafford, Brush Filler
Catharine BROWN 21 Walsall, Stafford, Buckle Maker
Ann BROWN 9 Walsall, Stafford, Scholar
Richard BROWN 6 Walsall, Stafford, Scholar
Emily BROWN 2 Walsall, Stafford,
Will. B. KENDRICK 6 m Darlaston, Stafford, G,son

1871: 62 Rushall St, Walsall, Staffs
Ann Allen 32 Head Housekeeper
Richard Allen 45 Brother Bricklayers Lab
William Allen (says Brown on Image) 37 Brother In Law Iron Caster
William Brown 14 Nephew Iron Filer
Mary A Brown 15 Neice Stitcher
Catherine Brown 12 Neice Stitcher
all born Walsall

Unless there is an obvious marriage certificate is it possible that William and Ann did not argue when they moved house and their neighbours assumed they were married - they had been living in the same house for over 20 years! - also legally I don't think he could marry his dead wife's sister at that time.

[Maths girl]

Going back to Elijah Onions:
1871:Court 5 No 2 Green Lane, Walsall, Staffs
Elijah Onions 35 Head Miner Ketley, Shrop
Harriet Onions 36 Wife Hadley, Shropshire
Elizabeth Onions 14 Dau Buckle Forger or Tonger
Esther Onions 11 Dau
Harriet Onions 9 Dau
Elijah Onions 7
Ann Onions 4 Dau
Thomas Onions 1 Son
others born Walsall, Staffs

Possible Marriage:
William Blundell 1855 Wellington Sal Shropshire
Harriet Davies 1855 Wellington Sal Shropshire
Elijah Onions 1855 Wellington Sal Shropshire
Emma Reeves 1855 Wellington Sal Shropshire

[peterd]

never notice that ann allen was with him in 1881 and it is his wife so they married and moved

Marriages Jun 1871

Allen Ann Walsall 6b 853
Brown William Beard Walsall 6b 853

[Maths girl]

Don't know whether this helps or confuses but found these two marriages:

Henrietta Brown 1897 Walsall Staffordshire
Samuel Parke 1897 Walsall Staffordshire
Mary Thacker 1897 Walsall Staffordshire
John Walker 1897 Walsall Staffordshire


Henrietta Walker 1915 Onions Dudley (1913 Onw) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Colin Onions 1915 Walker Dudley (1913 Onw) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

Whether this is pure conincidence or Henrietta marrying twice is the question

[peterd]

Don't know whether this helps or confuses but found these two marriages:

Henrietta Brown 1897 Walsall Staffordshire
Samuel Parke 1897 Walsall Staffordshire
Mary Thacker 1897 Walsall Staffordshire
John Walker 1897 Walsall Staffordshire


Henrietta Walker 1915 Onions Dudley (1913 Onw) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Colin Onions 1915 Walker Dudley (1913 Onw) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

Whether this is pure conincidence or Henrietta marrying twice is the question

looks like it unless older henrietta had a niece or daughter named after her ?

can any one find henrietta and john in 1901 census please

[Maths girl]

I am still confused about the legallity of marrying dead wife's sisters etc - Iknow someone put a link on earlier on another thread but it was in so much lawyer speak I couldn't follow it but the date of the change was 1921 - as I believe it is legal now I thought it was illegal in 1871 - which is not to say it didn't happen

Marriages Jun 1871

Allen Ann Walsall 6b 853
Brown William Beard Walsall 6b 853

1871: 62 Rushall St, Walsall, Staffs
Ann Allen 32 Head Housekeeper
Richard Allen 45 Brother Bricklayers Lab
William Allen (says Brown on Image) 37 Brother In Law Iron Caster
William Brown 14 Nephew Iron Filer
Mary A Brown 15 Neice Stitcher
Catherine Brown 12 Neice Stitcher
all born Walsall

1851/1841 census of Allen family/families would help + possible first marriage of William Brown with sister of Ann

[Maths girl]

Don't know whether this helps or confuses but found these two marriages:

Henrietta Brown 1897 Walsall Staffordshire
Samuel Parke 1897 Walsall Staffordshire
Mary Thacker 1897 Walsall Staffordshire
John Walker 1897 Walsall Staffordshire


Henrietta Walker 1915 Onions Dudley (1913 Onw) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Colin Onions 1915 Walker Dudley (1913 Onw) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

Whether this is pure conincidence or Henrietta marrying twice is the question

looks like it unless older henrietta had a niece named after her ?

can any one find henrietta and john in 1901 census please

Yep here they are :
1901 16 Lewis Street
John Walker 25 Currier (Leather) Rushall
Henrietta Walker 23 WAlsall
May Walker 2 Walsall
Janet Walker 1 Walsall

[peterd]

here the marriage

Marriages Dec 1854

Allen Mary Ann Walsall 6b 873
Brown William Walsall 6b 873


but we cannot add this lot until we connect the two williams

1881 8 Woodwards Bldgs Darlaston, Stafford

William B. BROWN M Male 48 Walsall, Stafford, Hinge Caster
Ann BROWN M Female 42 Walsall, Stafford,
Mary A. BROWN 24 Walsall, Stafford, Brush Filler
Catharine BROWN 21 Walsall, Stafford, Buckle Maker
Ann BROWN 9 Walsall, Stafford, Scholar
Richard BROWN 6 Walsall, Stafford, Scholar
Emily BROWN 2 Walsall, Stafford,
Will. B. KENDRICK 6 m Darlaston, Stafford, G,son



william not there so how do we link them to this william


1881 7 Alma Street Walsall Foreign, Stafford,

William BROWN 25 Walsall, Stafford, Lab In Iron Works
Roshannah BROWN 24 Primrose, Worcester, Lab In Iron Works Wife
Joseph BROWN 9 Walsall, Stafford, Scholar
Fanny BROWN 8 Walsall, Stafford, Scholar
Henrietta BROWN 6 Walsall, Stafford, Scholar
Frances BROWN 3 Bloxwich, Stafford,
Fredrick BROWN 6 m Walsall, Stafford


can we find any later census for william and roshannah hoping they got family as lodger or we need this marriage cert ?

hi norma do you have this marriage cert ?

Marriages Dec 1872

BROWN William Walsall 6b 1028
Tiff Rosannah Walsall 6b 1028


if so who are the father and witnesses on it please

[Maths girl]

1891 Younger William

57 Green Lane,Walsall
William Brown 37 Labourer
Roshannch Brown 32
Joseph Brown 19 Boat man
Fanny Brown 15
Henrietta Brown 14
Frederick Brown 9
Cecil D Brown 7

Stll no obvious link other than Green Lane which links to ONIONS not back to father

[Maths girl]

1891 Older William

89 Chapel St, Moseley Village,Wednesfield
William Brown 57 Iron Caster
Ann Brown 51
Richard Brown 16 Iron Caster
Emily Brown 12 Scholar
Harry Brown 9 Scholar
All born Walsall except Harry - Darlaston

[peterd]

updated as far as i could need that marriage waiting on norma to get in touch

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[mallosa]

While you are waiting Pete.......

Poss Rosannah's parents?
Marriages Mar 1856
FREEMAN Thomas Dudley 6c 90
Jaques Rebecca Dudley 6c 90
Stanson Maria Dudley 6c 90
Tift Joseph Dudley 6c 90

[Maths girl]

While we are waiting I have been looking for this family in 1861 on Ancestry without success -goodness knows what they have transcribed it as - anyone find it on another site?

1871: 164 Green Lane 'Shinglers Arms' Walsall
Joseph Tift 43 Head Publican and Boatsman Braunstone, Devon
Rebekah Tift 36 Wife Netherton, Worcestershire
Rosa Hannah Tift 14 Netherton, Worcestershire
Aaron James Tift 13 Son Netherton, Worcestershire
Samuel Tift 10 Son Netherton, Worcestershire
William Tift 9 Son Rowley, Worc
Edward Tift 4 Son Sadyhores, Worcestershire
Richard Tift 2 Son Walsall, Staffs
George Tift 1 Son Walsall, Staffs
Susannah Udall 16 Serv

[NBarta]

I have no marriage certificates . . . yet. Right now I am amazed (and also swamped!) with all the information you have found. It appears that many of the names do fit with what I have been told, specifically the ONIONS names but the others sound like probabilities rather than possibilities.
"Yep here they are :
1901 16 Lewis Street
John Walker 25 Currier (Leather) Rushall
Henrietta Walker 23 WAlsall
May Walker 2 Walsall
Janet Walker 1 Walsall"
I wonder about this since I know they owned a pub in the 1930s and 1940s. I suppose that could have come about later in their lives.

"Marriages Dec 1854

Allen Mary Ann Walsall 6b 873
Brown William Walsall 6b 873 "
The dates would seem to fit but I have no knowledge of these people as far as being related or not.
I need to explain that I am new to all this and a bit lost at present. My information came mainly from an aunt who worked for Henrietta Walker (her aunt) at the pub when needed. I am trying to put a family tree together for my children and grandchildren which is why I joined. Do you know of a similar genealogy site for the Cannock (Staffs) area? My father's side is from that area, Cheslyn Hay, to be precise.

[NBarta]

These names do sound familiar but I really don't know if they belong to me or not.

Re: ONIONS, BROWN, TIFT and WALKER

Postby mallosa » Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:33 pm
While you are waiting Pete.......

Poss Rosannah's parents?
Marriages Mar 1856
FREEMAN Thomas Dudley 6c 90
Jaques Rebecca Dudley 6c 90
Stanson Maria Dudley 6c 90
Tift Joseph Dudley 6c 90