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Re: Joseph Oliver

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I don't think it is any of the West Brom ones

I think that he could have been born 1845
bapt 1845
then very very late regis 1846
it is a possiblility
a lot of the vicars tried to put folk off registering births as they believed that was down to the church!

I think that is our Joseph Slater with that Sarah Hipkiss
he has a dau and son called Jane and Richard
those are names that figure with our Joseph Slater

a Joseph Oliver marries a Sarah Hipkiss
is he a widow
did he ever marry
did he marry a Jane Slater
did she die
did he then marry the dau of Sarah Hipkiss who is age 12 in 1841
Is Joseph Slater then lodging with his step g. ma?

I think that the marriage for a Joseph Oliver and Sarah Hipkiss will help
otherwise we are just chasing our tails and I end up papering the walls with certifs
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Gardener!!!
where are you!!!
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Re: Joseph Oliver

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Marriage
Joseph Oliver and Sarah Hipkiss 1852 St Thomas Dudley 204/011/431
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Maths girl wrote:Marriage
Joseph Oliver and Sarah Hipkiss 1852 St Thomas Dudley 204/011/431


Yes got that for a look up

Do we think that that is our Joseph Slater in 1861 with Sarah Hipkiss?
anyone not wine fuelled and can think logically
Cos I have lost the plot on this one now I think!
hic?
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1849 Birth
OLIVER Joseph Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/034/472

1842 Birth
OLIVER Joseph Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/010/34

1840 Birth
OLIVER Joseph Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/3/265

Where is Cock Green?
Baptism 14 Dec 1845 St Giles RR
Joseph of Joseph and Jane Oliver Cock Green Collier is this the 1842 one late?
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Cock Green is near St Giles and I checked on the map at archives today
and the Regis office would be Dudley
or may be listed as sub district Rowley Regis which came under Dudley for registration
so that 1840 is very interesting this one
1840 Birth
OLIVER Joseph Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/3/265

his dob is coming out 1842 ish isnt it

marriage and census abt 1842

that has to account for somat
and
who was he married to prev
he is a widower on marr doc
then we can see who father is on that one
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1862
SLATER Joseph DUNN Hannah Dudley, St Edmund Dudley Register Office 201/003/477

Death 1869
SLATER Hannah Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/25/138

not convinced
but the church is the same
might be worth a look up
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maybe not..

Jospeh Slater Parents:
Father: Joseph Slater
Marriages:
Spouse: Hannah Dunn Family
Marriage: 10 FEB 1862 St Edmund'S, Dudley, Worcester, England
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Re: Joseph Oliver

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Just been through this lot again and as far as I can see we do not ahave the following that might help:

1851 Census
whereabouts of Joseph Slater (possibly Oliver) born 1842 ish
whereabouts of Sarah Hipkiss (born 1829ish)
whereabouts of Joseph Oliver Born?? but he marries Sarah Hipkiss in 1852 - does it say age on marriage entry

1861 Joseph and Sarah Oliver (now married see above)

1871 Census

All of the above with Joseph Slater about to marry Amelia Cole or just married _ I can't remember what time of year they were married
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Re: Joseph Oliver

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Well I have never found such a lot of people that don't want to be found:

The only one I can find is Amelia Cole living with parents in 1871 before her marriage in the May.

I hope someone else has more luck
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Re: Joseph Oliver

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Hi MG
Don't give up.... I searched for weeks for my Tromans family, even looking at whole streets of people. I tried every spelling I could think of, wild cards etc, even searched using first names only. Turned out it had been transcribed as FROMANS. :roll: :roll: Thank goodness for FarSide, though how she thought to look for Fromans I don't know. So keep searching..... :grin: :grin:

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Maths girl wrote:Just been through this lot again and as far as I can see we do not ahave the following that might help:

1851 Census
whereabouts of Joseph Slater (possibly Oliver) born 1842 ish
whereabouts of Sarah Hipkiss (born 1829ish)
whereabouts of Joseph Oliver Born?? but he marries Sarah Hipkiss in 1852 - does it say age on marriage entry

1861 Joseph and Sarah Oliver (now married see above)

1871 Census

All of the above with Joseph Slater about to marry Amelia Cole or just married _ I can't remember what time of year they were married


It is a real puzzler this one
frustrating but interesting

I agree with you re the above
where are they on the 1851?

I still think his age being so consistant must mean something ie b 1842 ish
wonder if finding him on the 1911 might help?

I can look up the marriage so that will be interesting for Joseph Oliver

I wonder who Joseph Slater was married to previously
got to be from 1858 -1871
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Possibilities for Joseoh Slater marriage

1869 SLATER Joseph NASH Ann Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office 202/005/361
1862 SLATER Joseph DUNN Hannah Dudley, St Edmund Dudley Register Office 201/003/477
1860 SLATER Joseph MILNER Sarah Brierley Hill, St Michael Dudley Register Office 210/002/98
1858 SLATER Joseph JONES Mary Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office 202/002/246
1858 SLATER Joseph SPRUSON Susan Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/017/78
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Northern Lass wrote:maybe not..

Jospeh Slater Parents:
Father: Joseph Slater
Marriages:
Spouse: Hannah Dunn Family
Marriage: 10 FEB 1862 St Edmund'S, Dudley, Worcester, England


Mg the St Edmunds one we can scrap as father is a Joseph Slater not Oliver
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Re: Joseph Oliver

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Want to look at this image
can anyone give me the folio info etc please
not seeing it on ances

1861 Knowle RR
Sarah Hipkiss HD Widow 67
Edwin Hipkiss Son 19
Joseph Slater Boarder U 18
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Maths girl wrote:Possibilities for Joseoh Slater marriage

1869 SLATER Joseph NASH Ann Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office 202/005/361
1862 SLATER Joseph DUNN Hannah Dudley, St Edmund Dudley Register Office 201/003/477
1860 SLATER Joseph MILNER Sarah Brierley Hill, St Michael Dudley Register Office 210/002/98
1858 SLATER Joseph JONES Mary Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office 202/002/246
1858 SLATER Joseph SPRUSON Susan Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/017/78


I think the Joseph Slater with Ann nash is on the 1871 census with parents Daniel and Eliza next door

so that leaves 3
1860 SLATER Joseph MILNER Sarah Brierley Hill, St Michael Dudley Register Office 210/002/98
1858 SLATER Joseph JONES Mary Dudley, St James Dudley Register Office 202/002/246
1858 SLATER Joseph SPRUSON Susan Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/017/78

bit young on the 1858 and even the 1860
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