*Arc tbc* -Joseph Oliver

[Northern Lass]

Can anyone see this lot on the 1851?

[Maths girl]

1841 Census
Knowle, Rowley Regis,

James Slater, 45, Coal Miner
Jane, 20
William, 15,
Richard, 14
Thomas, 13
James, 5
and
Jane Peters, 48, Nail Maker
John, 16,
/Maria, 14
William Slater, 68, Ind

Where is this Slater family in 1851? has JAmes married Jane? and had Joseph? who later comes back to visit his friend who used to live next door?

Does that help or confuse?

[Northern Lass]

1841 Census
Knowle, Rowley Regis,

James Slater, 45, Coal Miner
Jane, 20
William, 15,
Richard, 14
Thomas, 13
James, 5
and
Jane Peters, 48, Nail Maker
John, 16,
/Maria, 14
William Slater, 68, Ind

Where is this Slater family in 1851? has JAmes married Jane? and had Joseph? who later comes back to visit his friend who used to live next door?

Does that help or confuse?

Thats wot I want to know cos I think this is the right direction
where are they in 1851
I think Jane is dau to James there is a bapt that fits

JANE SLATER
Christening: 15 JUL 1821 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: JAMES SLATER Family
Mother: LYDIA
Extracted

I wonder if Jane is the mother she has Joseph slater by a Joseph Oliver
and then for some reason in 1861 that Joseph Slater b 1842 is living with former neighbours
a Sarah Hipkiss formally married to a Joseph Hipkiss

Then there is that marriage for a Joseph Olvier and a Sarah Hipkiss
could that be the dau of joseph Hipkiss and Sarah the ones on the 1841
Jane dies and Joseph Oliver marries dau of Sarah and neighbour of Jane
he maybe dies and so stepson of Sarah is with his step g. ma


1841 Census
Knowle, Rowley Regis,
Joseph Hopkiss, 40, Nail Maker
Sarah, 35
John, 15
Sarah, 12,
Marryanne, 8
Elizabeth, 5,
Eliza, 3
/Thomas, 1
Emealia Smith, 15, Nail Maker

[Northern Lass]

Joseph Slater had a daughter Jane. Is it possible he was adopted by the Slaters.

Joseph Oliver.
Christening, 14 DEC 1845, Rowley Regis, Stafford.

Parents:
Joseph Oliver.
Jane Oliver.
--------------------------------------------------
1881
4 Tipperty Green,Rowley
Joseph Slater 39 - Coalminer
Omelia Slater 28
Annie Slater 10
Joseph Slater 8
Richard Slater 4
Jane Slater 2
Alice Slater 1 mth
all b Rowley

this would fit then

[Northern Lass]

Just looked it up interesting.

14 Dec 1845 St Giles RR
Joseph of Joseph and Jane Oliver Cock Green Collier

so a miner which fits

[Maths girl]

Does this look any use?

1851 Kates Hill, Dudley
James Slater, Head,M,55, Coal Miner, Dudley
Sarah,Wife,M,52, IRELAND
James ,Son,16,Coal Miner,Dudley
Eileen Dwyer,Lodger, 60, Hawker, Ireland

I've lost track of where Sarah came from

[Northern Lass]

Deaths Dec 1846
Oliver Jane Dudley 18 208

going to look up that marriage for that Joseph Oliver and Sarah Hipkiss

cant see a marriage to a Jane though

[Northern Lass]

There is no birth for a Joseph Oliver in 1845 or before
but there is this one

Births Dec 1846
Slater Joseph Dudley 18 283

which fits with that death for a Jane Oliver in Dec 1846

I think that they werent married
which is why he is a Slater
but father an Oliver
the bapt is a way of legitimising it

then Jane dies
he marries Janes neighbour later
and son ends up with neighbours mother as a boarder

[Maths girl]

NL you have beaten me to it .

After much scribbling on paper I have come to the same conclusion as you.- but then I looked again haven't you got him being baptised before he is born?

14 Dec 1845 St Giles RR
Joseph of Joseph and Jane Oliver Cock Green Collier

Births Dec 1846
Slater Joseph Dudley 18 283

which fits with that death for a Jane Oliver in Dec 1846

Now I'm confused

[Northern Lass]

Hmmmm yes there is that but it could be the first one bapt and then he dies

or

could be mistake in the transcript and should say 1846?
or
mistake in the indexes and should say 1845
or
entered late as a birth registered....so bapt Dec and then Oct nov Dec regis
or
I am talking a load of rubbish

I don't know ( not about talking the load of rubbish cos I do do that....but I digress!)

I think there is something there
I am happy to look up that Joseph Olvier marriage
and I will send off for birth certifs or death ones if we think it helps us cos this one we have to sort!
What do we all think
and what do we need?

[Jimmy]

NL you have beaten me to it .

After much scribbling on paper I have come to the same conclusion as you.- but then I looked again haven't you got him being baptised before he is born?

14 Dec 1845 St Giles RR
Joseph of Joseph and Jane Oliver Cock Green Collier

Births Dec 1846
Slater Joseph Dudley 18 283

which fits with that death for a Jane Oliver in Dec 1846

Now I'm confused

This sounds okay to me, if he was born in OCT/NOV/DEC, QTR. he could have been born between OCT 1st, and DEC 14th.

[Northern Lass]

but...the bapt is 1845
and the birth regis is 1846
so whole year before they regis him
which is odd

[Maths girl]

but...the bapt is 1845
and the birth regis is 1846
so whole year before they bapt him
which is odd

That was my maths too. - you can't baptise before they are conceived can you?

[Jimmy]

I thought they were the same year.

Could that baptism be for one of these 2.
Births Mar 1843.
Slater Joseph, W. Bromwich. 18. 568.

West Midlands Birth 1843.
SLATER Joseph, Wednesbury, Sandwell Register Office, WED/6/247.

Births Sep 1845.
Slater Joseph, West Bromwich. 18. 556.

West Midlands Birth 1845.
SLATER Joseph, West Bromwich South West, Sandwell Register Office, WBSW/9/401.

[Maths girl]

The 1845 one looks most likely - but would need the birth certificate to check mother's maiden name wouldn't we?