*ARC TBC* -- Brierley Hill - Raybould

[Northern Lass]

need those 2 1851 census posting if any one can please

[BlueSavannah]

Hi Northern Lass

The children to my Richard & Mary are all those you listed in the last message. Samuel is my great x 3 grandfather and he moved to Tunstall, then Hoyland near Barnsley and then Sheffield where he died.

I have the birth certificate for Ann Raybould 1840 which stated Mary Stevens as her mother.

Class: HO107; Piece: 2036; Folio: 325; Page: 18; GSU roll: 87443-87444. (This is Richard with second wife Hannah)

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2034; Folio: 103; Page: 21; GSU roll: 87441. (This is the other Mary with her children. She is head of household but says she is still married)

Claire

[Northern Lass]

Hi Northern Lass

Ah, found the thread again lol.

Yes, Richard is described as a widower on the 1850 marriage to Hannah Gardener. Hannah was a spinster. She had an illegitimate child. They are on the 51 census with 6 of his children to Mary (Benjamin, Elizabeth, Thomas, Ann, Hannah & Mary). Also with them is their first child together, Emma, and Hannah's illegitimate child Eliza Ann Gardener. The image on ancestry is terrible and is badly mistranscribed as Ruchala. Just sent them an email to correct it.

Claire

You did well finding that

they are at Brierley Hill Kingswinford Staffs
Richard Raybould and Hannah exactly as you say
need the other one now

[Northern Lass]

Hi Northern Lass

The children to my Richard & Mary are all those you listed in the last message. Samuel is my great x 3 grandfather and he moved to Tunstall, then Hoyland near Barnsley and then Sheffield where he died.

I have the birth certificate for Ann Raybould 1840 which stated Mary Stevens as her mother.

Class: HO107; Piece: 2036; Folio: 325; Page: 18; GSU roll: 87443-87444. (This is Richard with second wife Hannah)

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2034; Folio: 103; Page: 21; GSU roll: 87441. (This is the other Mary with her children. She is head of household but says she is still married)

Claire

and as you say the other one is there as Head with those children at Overend Cradley
I wonder if this is Richards death
Edward b 1847 ish but the kid before is age 7
so might not be his



1845
RAYBOULD Richard Dudley Dudley Register Office DUD/013/33
RAYBOULD Richard Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/008/290

there is this marriage but very late
but Aston

RICHARD GOSLING RAYBOULD
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY WALDRON BOULTON
Marriage: 18 DEC 1839 Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick,
Extracted

[BlueSavannah]

I must admit that I had never seen the other Richard & Mary before until today. Because Samuel and his father Richard stated birth place of Brierley Hill on all the census I have for them, I had found them easyish (apart from bad transcriptions) to find them both.

The original link that peterd gave to the black country tree said that Richard Raybould born 1803c in Hallesowen. My Richard stated on all census until death that he was born Brierley Hill, although he is also born aprox same year. My knowledge of Staffordshire isnt very good and I dont know how close Hallesowen and Brierley Hill are.

Claire

[linell]

Hi all just catching up here. I have this family in 1851 Overend Cradley:-
Mary Raybould HD W 43 born Aston Warks
William Son 23 born Aston
Richard (?) Son 19 born Aston
Timothy (?) Son 15 born B'ham
Joseph Son 14 born Cradley
John Son 12 born Cradley
Mary A DA 7 born Cradley
Edwin Son 3 born Cradley

So ok there are two Richard and Mary's. Will have a search for the other couple. Many thanks from Linell.

[Northern Lass]

Ok we have 2 of them
just looked at the 1841 and there are 2 Richard and Marys
one is your Mary Stevens the other is a Mary unknown
I will alter the tree
have liaised with Linell

will post link shortly

1841 Kingswinford

Richard Raybould 40 (b 1801) Pudler
Mary Raybould 30
Samuel Raybould 14
William Raybould 12
Sarah Raybould 10
Benjamin Raybould 8
Elizabeth Raybould 6
Thomas Raybould 3
Ann Raybould 8 Mo
all y bi n C

and

1841 Overend Cradley Worcs
Richard Raybould 38 b 1803 nailer
Mary Raybould 31
William Raybould 13
Richard Raybould 9
Timothy Raybould 5
Joseph Raybould 3
all y b in C

and then Mary is on the 1851 with above at Overend as head

occup of puddler fits with ironworks too

[BlueSavannah]

Hi Linell & Northern Lass

Many thanks for helping to clarify the two families.

Are the Brierley Hill parish records held at Dudley Archives? I have never been to Dudley and it is quite far for me to travel to but I think I probably need to visit there to look through the records of this place to further research my Raybould ancestry.

Are there any disks that are purchasable with the BH records on?

I would dearly like to find the baptism of Richard and the burial of Mary.

Claire

[linell]

Hi Claire and NL, many thanks for flagging that up. I have changed my tree to Richard born about 1803 Cradley and Mary born about 1810 Aston, living in Overend Cradley 1841, Richard died before 1851. Which is the right Marriage for them? I have the Old Swinford one in 1826? Best Wishes from Linell.

[Northern Lass]

The Mary Stevens must be the one for Richard who goes on to marry Hannah with Ann b 1840 as Claire
has got the birth cert for that one

[linell]

Right ok NL, will search for another Marriage.

Linell.

[Northern Lass]

Hi Linell & Northern Lass

Many thanks for helping to clarify the two families.

Are the Brierley Hill parish records held at Dudley Archives? I have never been to Dudley and it is quite far for me to travel to but I think I probably need to visit there to look through the records of this place to further research my Raybould ancestry.

Are there any disks that are purchasable with the BH records on?

I would dearly like to find the baptism of Richard and the burial of Mary.

Claire

Yes Brierley Hill are at dudley
if you have a name, day month and year I can look it up for you and church of course
on marriages I just need the year and info from the bmsgh site which gives the last number as the entry no
eg
1850
RAYBOULD * Richard GARDNER Hannah Brierley Hill, St Michael Dudley Register Office 210/001/280

you can buy the discs/fiches from bmsgh

BRIERLEY HILL (SPRS)
http://www.bmsgh.org/bookshop/staffs/st_b.html

scroll down


M218
Bapts & Bur. 1766 -1800 (fiche)
£3.30
£3.80

M220
Bapts & Bur. 1800 -1812 (fiche)
£2.30
£2.80

B284
Baptisms & Burials 1813 -1837 (Book)
£9.00
£11.00

[Northern Lass]

I am picking up different kids for a Richard and Mary
so we probably have 2 richard and marys

SAML RAYBOULD Christening: 03 JUN 1827 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: RICHD RAYBOULD
Mother: MARY
Extracted birth

WILLM RAYBOULD Christening: 31 MAY 1829 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: RICHD RAYBOULD Mother: MARY
Extracted birth

BENJAMIN RAYBOULD
Christening: 27 OCT 1833 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: RICHARD RAYBOULD
Mother: MARY
Extracted birth

ELIZABETH RAYBOULD
Christening: 17 JAN 1836 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: RICHARD RAYBOULD
Mother: MARY
Extracted birth

THOMAS RAYBOULD
Christening: 08 JUL 1838 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: RICHARD RAYBOULD
Mother: MARY
Extracted

ANN RAYBOULD
Christening: 29 NOV 1840 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: RICHARD RAYBOULD
Mother: MARY
Extracted

ANNE MARIA RAYBOULD
Christening: 18 DEC 1842 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: RICHARD RAYBOULD
Mother: MARY
Extracted


MARY RAYBOULD
Christening: 03 AUG 1845 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Parents:
Father: RICHARD RAYBOULD
Mother: MARY
Extracted




RICHARD RAYBOULD
Marriages:
Spouse: MARY STEVENS Family
Marriage: 05 FEB 1826 Old Swinford, Worcester, Extracted

if the other mary is still alive in 1850 with those other kids then we must have 2
and we need to alter the tree I think



can you list the ones you have please Clarire

Claire which one am I missing on this lot of the kids?

by the way pm me if you wish to join in our Black country Connections tree

[BlueSavannah]

Hi NL

Thanks for the info re Brierley Hill, will take a look at those. I dont own a fiche reader so dependent on books/cds but still think I have got to get to Dudley in the future.

I dont know exact year Richard Raybould was born. From ages on census and the age his daughter gave for him at death, he is born 1800-1804c at Brierley Hill. Mary nee Stevens died between 1845 (last child baptised this year) and 1850 when he re-married to Hannah. There are 2 possibles listed in the Stourbridge area that could be her, think I will need to purchase both certificates to find out which one is mine.

Thanks for all your help, its been much appreciated

Claire

[BlueSavannah]

Hi NL

Just noticed last message

The other child I have to Richard & Mary is Sarah Raybould born 1831c. She is on the 41 census with them but I didnt find a baptism for her.

I have pm'd you about joining the tree.

Claire