Completed Moses Green Help Please

[kdwoodie]

I am really confused, did Moses and Ann have a bigamous marriage.

Marriage checked by Rocky

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Moses here on BCC https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=667040

1911 Wellfield Villa Mervyn St Rhydyfelan Treforest Nr Pontypridd
Leo Pollard 24 Head Married Coal Miner Born Pontypridd
Annie Pollard 23 Wife Married Born Dudley Wood Married 2 Years 2 Children 1 Living 1 Died
Leo Pollard 10/12 Son Born Pontypridd
George Green 44 Father-in-law Widower Builders Haulier Born Waterfalll Lane
Ethel Green 11 Daughter Single School Born Waterfall Lane
Moses Green 71 Grandfather In Law (Grand Father-in-law) Widower Old Age Pensioner Born Slackhillock

Deaths Jun 1913
Green Moses 73 Dudley 6b 1062

Ann Westwood Nee Hadley here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=667040

1901 Netherend Cradley
Henry Westwood 57 Head M Engineer Brick wWorks Born Harborne
Ann Westwood 53 Wife M Born Oldbury
Henry Westwood 24 Son S Stoker at Colliery Born Oldbury
Betsy Westwood 20 Daughter S Born Oldbury
John Westwood 17 Son S Stoker ? Brick Works Born Netherend
Sarah A Westwood 16 Daughter S Born Netherend
Henry Taylor 3 Grandson Born Lye

1911 Park Lane, Netherend, Cradley, Cradley Heath
Henry Westwood 67 Head Married Engine Driver (Stationery) Born Harborne
Ann Westwood 64 Wife Married Born Oldbury
Sarah Ann Westwood 26 Daughter Single Solderer Born Cradley
Henry Taylor 13 Grandson Single Labourer Born Lye

1921 45 Park Lane, Netherend Cradley
Ann Westwood 73 Years 9 Months Head Widow Born Oldbury Home Duties
Ellen Aston 42 Years 1 Month Daughter Widow Born Oldbury Home Duties
Lilian Aston 15 Years 2 Months Granddaughter Single Apprentice Tailor Born Quarry Bank
Frederick W Aston 12 Years 6 Months Grandson Father Dead Born Cradley
Howard Aston 6 Years 10 Months Grandson Father Dead Born Cradley
James H Aston 3 Years 9 Months Grandson Father Dead Born Cradley

Deaths Mar 1917
Westwood Henry 73 Stourbridge 6c 19

Deaths Jun 1923
WESTWOOD Ann 75 Stourbridge 6c 10

[rockyfowler]

Ann Death certificate

101 Ninth May 1923 45 Park Lane Cradley Ann WESTWOOD Female 75 years Widow of Henry Westwood Engine Driver at Brick Works Cause of death 1/ Sub Acute Bronchitis 2/ Influenza Informant Ellen Aston Present at the death 45 Park Lane Cradley Registered Ninth May 1923

Hannah Green ?
Burial entry
Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Cradley Heath
Church name (Links to more information) St Luke
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 2660
Burial date 29 May 1915
Burial person forename Hannah
Burial person surname GREEN
Person age 74
Burial person abode Lawrence Lane, Old Hill
Transcribed by Jean Langdell
File line number 2665
Line id BCW.STSCRLBU1.CSV.2665
Processed date 12 Oct 2024

Very mysterious ain`t it some info missing somewhere ??

[kdwoodie]

Thanks for the death cert.

I am at a loss, getting more confused now. Moses says he's a widow in 1911

[grangers14]

It's very odd ?

Especially added to census?

[kdwoodie]

I don't think Hannahs ideath is the same as the Hannah on 1901.

She's married to George Green, will start new thread for her. (Maybe tomorrow )

[BC Wench]

I've been looking at Moses from his birth but not looking at what is already on BCC as I wanted to do it without any influence. I will put the info I have here on the forum. I don't think that death is Hannah on the 1901 census either kd.

[BC Wench]

MOSES GREEN

Birth: GREEN, MOSES - MMN: BADLEY
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 273

Baptism: 19 Jan 1840 St Giles, Rowley Regis (FreeREG)
Moses - Parents: George & Mary Green - Abode: Sleck(Slack) Hillock - Father's occ: Labourer

Moses' Parents Marriage: 30 Apr 1815 St Giles, Rowley Regis (FreeREG)
George Green & Mary Baddely
Wits: Richard Gaunt, Joseph Evans

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ANN ELIZA SIVITER

Birth: SIVITER, ANN ELIZA - MMN: GROVE
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 277

Baptism: 14 May 1843 St Giles, Rowley Regis
Ann Eliza - Parents: Samuel & Leah Siviter - Abode: Waterfall Lane - Father's occ: Engineer

Ann Eliza's Parents Marriage: 25 Dec 1827 St Thomas, Dudley, Worcs
Samuel Siveter, Bachelor, Dudley
Leah Grove, Spinster, Dudley
Wit: Joseph Grove, John Allen
Notes: By Banns Groom, Bride & Witness 1 marked X. Witness 2 signed
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Marriage: 23 Oct 1859 St Edmund, Dudley, Worcs
Moses Green, 20, B, Miner, Dudley, George Green, Butcher (B: 1839)
Ann Eliza Siveter, 19, S, Dudley, Samuel Siveter, Engine Driver (B: 1840)
Wit: William Siveter, Phoebe Siveter
Notes: Groom, Bride & Both Witnesses sign X
(ANN ELIZA WAS BORN IN 1843, SO SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN 16 YRS OLD WHEN SHE MARRIED)

Through the various censuses, Ann Eliza's name is given differently, from Ann E., Ann Eliza, Eliza and Hannah in 1901 Census. My thoughts on the name Hannah, is that the Enumerator misheard when he was told Ann E (Annnie)

1861 Census: Living at Waterfall Lane with their son James (B: 1860) and Ann Eliza's married brother William & Phebe Siviter. Ann Eliza's age is given as 18 (B: 1843)

1871 Census: Living at Waterfall Lane with their children. Ann Eliza's age is given as 29 (Born: 1842)

1881 Census: Living at Waterfall Lane with their children. Ann Eliza's age is given as 41 (Born: 1840)

1891 Census: Living at Waterfall Lane with their children. Ann Eliza's age is given as 48 (Born: 1843)

1901 Census: Waterfall Lane, Rowley Regis
Moses Green, Head.Mar, 69, (?should be 61?) Coll. & Under Ground Road Man
Hannah Green, Wife, M, 68 (?should be 58?)
Ann Green, Dau.S, 31
Frank Green, Son.S, 23 (He married Laura J Cashmore in 1902)
Fredk. Green, Grandson, 4 1897 (Son of Arthur Henry Green & Sarah Jane Grice)
(All born Rowley Regis)

1911 Census: Wellfield Villa, Mervyn St., Rhydyfelan Treforest, Nr. Pontypridd
Leo Pollard, Head.Mar, 24, Coal Miner, Pontypridd, Glam.
Annie Pollard, Wife, 23, Dudley 1888
(She is the daughter of George (below) & Sarah Ann (Billingham) Green)
Leo Pollard, Son, 10mths, Pontypridd, Glam.
George Green, Father in law.Wid, 44, Builders Haulier, Waterfall Lane Staffs
(He is the son of Moses (below) & Ann Eliza Green)
Ethel Green, Dau, 11, Waterfall Lane Staffs
(Daughter of George Green above)
Moses Green, Grandfather in law.Wid., 71, Old Age Pensioner, Former Employment Colliery Labourer, Slackhillock Staffs

Possible Death: June Qtr. 1913 Dudley Reg. Dist. 6B 1062
Moses Green - Age: 73 - Born: 1840

Ann Eliza Green must have died between 1901 and 1911 Census but unable to find a suitable record.

If you want me to add anything of the above onto BCC, plus extra info of Moses & Ann Eliza's children then just let me know.

[kdwoodie]

Thank you BC Wench, if you could add the info for Moses that would be a great help.

I will add the info for Ann Westwood nee Hadley.

That still leaves us with the marriage of Moses and Ann

[kdwoodie]

Now I'm completely lost.

This is Joseph James family

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=667092

[grangers14]

Ignore what I put, I don't think that is right either!

[BC Wench]

I will enter info for Moses & Ann Eliza (Siviter) Green.

I will work out this couple

Marriage: 2 Aug 1896 St Giles, Rowley Regis
Moses Green, 36 or 56, Widower, Miner, Waterfall Lane, George Green, Pork Butcher (B:1860 or B:1840)
Ann Westwood, 54, Widow, Waterfall Lane, Benjamin Hadley, Iron Worker (B: 1842)
Wit: Joseph Evans, Sarah Siviter
Notes: Bride, Groom & 2nd Witness signed with X. Both fathers are deceased

Oops, that is the Ann (Hadley) Westwood that you are sorting out.

[kdwoodie]

Any help appreciated, I'm going in circles.

[grangers14]

I will split what I put so it isn't as confusing!

[kdwoodie]

Updated Ann Hadley here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =267596335

Have not added marriage to Moses Green

[BC Wench]

I have added everything I have found on Moses Green & Ann Eliza Siviter here

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... onnections

Regarding Moses Green & Ann Westwood:-

Marriage: 2 Aug 1896 St Giles, Rowley Regis
Moses Green, 36 or 56, Widower, Miner, Waterfall Lane, George Green, Pork Butcher (B:1860 or B:1840)
Ann Westwood, 54, Widow, Waterfall Lane, Benjamin Hadley, Iron Worker (B: 1842)
Wit: Joseph Evans, Sarah Siviter
Notes: Bride, Groom & 2nd Witness signed with X. Both fathers are deceased

This really needs to be looked at as something is not right here.

On Ann (Hadley) Westwood's Death Certificate in 1923 it gives "Widow of Henry Westwood....." and Henry Westwood died in 1917.

From 1901 - 1911 Census Ann is living with her husband Henry Westwood and family.

In the 1921 Census she is a Widow living in Park Lane, Netherend with her family.

So, why is she classed as a Widow in the 1921 Census if she married Moses Green, the above marriage, in 1896?

I will have a look through this and if (fingers crossed) I find anything I will split it from this topic into a new one.