Samuel Homer Foxall 1840 - Apr 1904-

[Waltzer7]

Hi,

Regarding: https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=646097
it seems that Samuel Homer Foxall has been left out?

According to my Dad's Uncle, Samuel Homer Foxall was born to Hannah Homer prior to her marriage to Benjamin Cartwright Foxall, who was his Dad and he was also registered as Samuel Foxall.

FOXALL, SAMUEL - GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 417.

Samuel was buried on 17 Apr 1904 at Christ Church, Quarry Bank, Brierley Hill, Staffordshire, England
Age: 63. Abode: Quarry Bank

[Northern Lass]

He is on there but with father unknown.
Do you have the birth certif to prove he is son of Benjamin.

What is on there seems to be an error of a John Foxall b 1828. as son needs amending.

[Waltzer7]

He is on there but with father unknown.
Do you have the birth certif to prove he is son of Benjamin.

What is on there seems to be an error of a John Foxall b 1828. as son needs amending.

1. I will ask my cousin if she has the birth certificate for Samuel H Foxall or order one myself. Her late father gave me printed handouts of his and my Dad's ancestors, which I have added to my family tree. Her late father and my late father were grandsons of Sarah Jane Raybould (1882-1925) nee Foxall, last daughter of Samuel H Foxall (1840-1904).

2. What is on there seems to be an error of a John Foxall b 1828. as son needs amending: -

This could be John Foxall, son of Joseph and Nancy Foxall, nee Cartwright: -

Baptism
30 Jul 1826 • Cradley Chapel, Cradley, Worcester, England
John, Son of Joseph and Nancy Foxall of Oldswinford - Farmer. Source: Page 55 of Registers of Cradley Chapel, Worcestershire (Now St. Peter's Parish Church, Cradley).

Name John Foxall
Gender Male
Baptism Date 30 Jul 1826
Baptism Place Cradley,Worcester,England
Father Joseph Foxall
Mother Nancy
FHL Film Number 895367, 895368, 895369

I see you have him, without sources and born in 1828, on: https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=646179

[Jimmy]

Samuel married as Samuel Homer, with mother Hannah.

Amblecote Holy Trinity.
25 Dec 1858.
Samuel HOMER. 18. bachelor. Puddler. Lye. HANNAH HOMER.
Jane EVANS. 17. spinster. Lye. Richard EVANS. Tree Turner.
Witness 1 Joseph FOXALL.
Witness 2 Jane WORRALL.
Notes Bride & Witnesses sign X.

1841. Park Row, Halesowen.
James Homer 50. Nailer.
Hannah Homer 55.
Hannah Homer 15.
Sarah Homer 15.
Samuel Homer 9 Mo.

[Northern Lass]

I will sticky this for Grangers 14 to view and see what she wishes to do.

As the John b 1828 needs amending as is connected incorrectly.

As regards Samuel as I prev. mentioned The Birth Certif needs to be viewed to see if father is down on that.
As Jimmy has found Hannah seems to have Samuel on the 1841 just with her family.
And on his marriage he puts his mother down not a fathers name.
Actual Proof is needed that Samuel is son of Benjamin

[Waltzer7]

Samuel married as Samuel Homer, with mother Hannah.

Amblecote Holy Trinity.
25 Dec 1858.
Samuel HOMER. 18. bachelor. Puddler. Lye. HANNAH HOMER.
Jane EVANS. 17. spinster. Lye. Richard EVANS. Tree Turner.
Witness 1 Joseph FOXALL.
Witness 2 Jane WORRALL.
Notes Bride & Witnesses sign X.

1841. Park Row, Halesowen.
James Homer 50. Nailer.
Hannah Homer 55.
Hannah Homer 15.
Sarah Homer 15.

Samuel Homer 9 Mo.

Yes, I have the 1841 census. Unfortunately I haven't come across Hannah's birth or baptism so far.

Yes, his father was dead at the time of his marriage: -

1 Jul 1853 • Hill Bank, Lye, Worcestershire, England
Aged 31. Occupation: Furnace Man. CoD: Consumption 2 years. No Medical attendant. The mark X of James Homer of Park Terrace, Cradley, Worcestershire in attendance. When registered: 4th July 1853. Signed by Edward Levi, Registrar.

July 1840 • Cradley, Worcestershire, England
Samuel was registered as Samuel Foxall with a dash indicating that he was born out of wedlock.
FOXALL, SAMUEL - GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 417.

Samuel continued to use the surname Foxall after he married Jane Evans. Their first child, Samuel Joseph Henry Foxall was also born out of wedlock prior to his parent's marriage on 25 December 1858.

April 1858 • Dunns Bank, Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England
FOXHALL, SAMUEL JOSEPH HENRY - GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 172

Samuel used the surname: Foxall in the 1861 Census and the surname: H Foxall in the 1881 census.

1861 - Hill Hole Brook, Quarry Bank:-

Name Samuel Foxall
Gender Male
Age 23
Relation Head
Estimated Birth Year 1838
Spouse's Name Jane Foxall
Where born Lye, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish Lye
Ecclesiastical parish Christchurch
Town Lye
County/Island Worcestershire
Country England
Registration district Stourbridge
Sub-registration district Stourbridge
ED, institution, or vessel 14
Neighbors View others on page
Household schedule number 5
Piece 2067
Folio 1
Page number 1
Household members
Name Age
Samuel Foxall 23
Jane Foxall
Samuel Foxall 3
Joseph Foxall 2/12
Elizabeth Foxall 16
Henry Foxall 3
Emma Day 12


1881 England Census - Mears Coppice, Dunns Bank:-

Name Samuel Homer Foxall
Age 40
Estimated Birth Year abt 1841
Relationship to Head Head
Spouse Jane H. Foxall
Gender Male
Where born Cradely, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish Kingswinford
County/Island Staffordshire
Country England
Street Address Nerescpy Dunns Bank
Marital Status Married
Occupation Puddler
Registration district Stourbridge
ED, institution, or vessel 42
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 2896
Folio 49
Page number 38
Household members
Name Age
Samuel Homer Foxall 40
Jane H. Foxall 38
Samuel H. Foxall 21
Mary H. Foxall 17
William H. Foxall 9
Eliza H. Foxall 7
Clara H. Foxall 6
James H. Foxall 4
Flora H. Foxall 2

My Dad's grandmother was Sarah Jane Raybould, nee Foxall, the last daughter of Samuel & Jane Foxall, nee Evans: -

July 1882 • Dunns Bank, Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England
FOXALL, SARAH JANE EVANS GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 146

Sarah Jane Foxall (1882-1925) married Joseph Arthur Raybould (1879-1958) on 30 September 1900 at Quarry Bank Christ Church.

I agree that an actual proof is needed and hopefully a birth certificate will turn up or ordered from GRO.

[Northern Lass]

Ok so presume you are sending for that birth certif?
Do let us know when you get the birth certif .

In the meantime I have flagged this for Grangers 14 to peruse.

[grangers14]

Firstly sorry for my delay in replying, I have had computer problems!

I have looked into this.
I am not 100% certain but it has been added that
HOMER, SAMUEL -
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 405

Information on the birth of Samuel from Wendy Hill
Samuel was born out of wedlock to Hannah Homer.

If that is correct I can not add Benjamin as father.

I have corrected John Foxall.

If you could please look and say what you think is wrong.
Joseph Foxall
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =653394701

Hannah Homer
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =398378036

Samuel Homer
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =789189973

[Waltzer7]

Firstly sorry for my delay in replying, I have had computer problems!

Samuel Homer
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =789189973

Regarding this Samuel H Foxall born 1860. I think he was Samuel Joseph Henry Foxall born in 1858 to Hannah Foxall, nee Homer, after her husband Benjamin passed away in 1853 and was kind of adopted by Samuel Homer Foxall and his wife Jane, nee Evans as he was listed as living as their "son" on the 1861 census.

Birth was registered on 27 April 1858 by Hannah Foxall, Mother of Hill Hole, Lye by Edward Levi, Registrar.

It seems very strange to name another son, Samuel when the first son, Samuel (1838) is still alive?

1861 Census: -

Name Samuel Foxall
Gender Male
Age 3
Relation Son
Estimated Birth Year 1858
Father's Name Samuel Foxall
Mother's Name Jane Foxall
Civil parish Lye
Ecclesiastical parish Christchurch
Town Lye
County/Island Worcestershire
Country England
Registration district Stourbridge
Sub-registration district Stourbridge
ED, institution, or vessel 14
Neighbors View others on page
Household schedule number 5
Piece 2067
Folio 1
Page number 1
Household members
Name Age
Samuel Foxall 23
Jane Foxall
Samuel Foxall 3
Joseph Foxall 2/12
Elizabeth Foxall 16
Henry Foxall 3
Emma Day 12

[grangers14]

I am sorry, I dont understand that?
Samuel aged 23 is father to Samuel aged 3.

[grangers14]

I am confused with this birth certificate too?

I am not 100% certain if you can actually post it on here either, as it is Crown copyright.

Birth Certificate. 27th April 1858
1st April 1858.
Hill Hole, Lye. Samuel Joseph Henry, boy, mother, Hannah Foxhall, no fathers name or occupation, x of Hannah Foxhall, Mother, Hill Hole, Lye

[Northern Lass]

I have removed the certificate as it is Crown Copyright Grangers is correct and you are not able to post.

[Waltzer7]

I am sorry, I dont understand that?
Samuel aged 23 is father to Samuel aged 3.

Apologies for posting the certificate as I hadn't realised it was a Crown copyright.

According to that now removed certificate, which said, "Birth of Samuel Joseph Henry Foxall was registered on 27 April 1858 by Hannah Foxall, Mother of Hill Hole, Lye by Edward Levi, Registrar."

Also on GRO: FOXHALL, SAMUEL JOSEPH HENRY -
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 172

Regarding this Henry Foxall born 1858 on https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=650401. I think he was actually Samuel Joseph Henry Foxall born 1st April 1858 to Hannah Foxall, nee Homer and after her death on 25 Apr 1859 at Hill Hole, Lye, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England, was taken on by Samuel Homer Foxall and his wife Jane, nee Evans. Source: Death Certificate: Hannah Foxall Widow of Benjamin Foxall, a Forgeman. Cause of death: "Phthisis" pulmonary tuberculosis. Hannah was 37 years old. The mark of Elizabeth Foxhall in attendance, Hill Hole, Lye.

[Waltzer7]

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=648430

Can you please add: -

Benjamin Cartwright Foxall died, aged 31, on 1st July 1853 at Hill Bank, Lye and was buried on 6 July 1853 at St Peter's, Cradley. Source: Aged 31. Occupation: Furnace Man. CoD: Consumption 2 years. No Medical attendant. The mark X of James Homer of Park Terrace, Cradley, Worcestershire in attendance. When registered: 4th July 1853. Signed by Edward Levi, Registrar.

James Homer was the father in law of Benjamin and father of Hannah.

[grangers14]

Would you like your forum name added with this death information for Benjamin?