Wm Rose b 1852

[Northern Lass]

I have never been able to find the birth certif or a baptism for Wm Rose b 1852ish.
his mother is Dodson.

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=622626

[Jimmy]

Odd that William is not with family in 1861.

1861. Tibbetts Garden, Rowley Regis.
Samuel Rose 32. chain maker. Dudley.
Mary A Rose 31.
Spencer Rose 3. Son.
Harriet D Rose 1. Daughter.
Others born Rowley Regis.

1871. Corngreaves Road, Rowley Regis.
Samuel Rose 41. chain maker
Mary A Rose 42.
William Rose 19. Son.
Spencer D Rose 13. Son.
Harriet Rose 11. Daughter.
Samuel Rose 9. Son.
George H Rose 7. Son.
Harry Rose 4. Son.
Margaret Rose 1. Daughter.
All born Rowley Regis.

[Jimmy]

Could he be adopted, ???

COX, WILLIAM blank.
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 10

1861. Stourbridge Work House.
William Cox.
Age 8.
Where born Cradley, Worcestershire.
Stourbridge Union Workhouse Kingswinford

[Northern Lass]

I don't know ...I think it is odd he isn't with Family in 1861 too.

Someone a 3/4 cousin has had dna done and Dodson appears to be his mother
The line from Ernest Rose son of my Wm Rose b 1852 here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=622626
That line down a person has done a dna and it proves that Dodson is connected.
Not sure how dna stuff works but means that on that line of hers back she connects to Dodsons.

I don't think it is the Wm Smart next door on 1861 I have the certif for that one.

I think he was taken in by the Rose family my Wm Rose...but not sure how to sort this one out.
It is odd that there are certifs for all the other kids.

Is that William Cox on the 1871?

[Jimmy]

You can't argue with the dna, what if Mary Ann Dodson was pregnant when she Married Samuel Rose, and the child was hidden away for a while, and resurrected at a later date.

Or could William be an illigamate son of Mary Ann's younger sister Hannah Dodson.

[Jimmy]

Question, is there any Rose DNA found?

[Northern Lass]

Question, is there any Rose DNA found?

I don't know...I have pm'd the person who did the dna so maybe they will
help us on this thread.

[gardener]

I have never been able to find the birth certif or a baptism for Wm Rose b 1852ish.
his mother is Dodson.

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=622626

I think this is the burial for Elizabeth on FreeReg

Place (Links to more information) Cradley Heath
Church name (Links to more information) St Luke
Register entry number 610
Burial date 11 Nov 1855
Burial person forename Elizabeth
Burial person surname ROSE
Person age 1y8m
Burial person abode Cradley Heath

We don't have a baptism for her either.
Did we ever look at the Bishop Transcripts for St Luke's?
Birth registrations were not compulsary then, so it is always possible that William did not get registered.

[Northern Lass]

Would the bishops transcripts be different from St Lukes Parish Regis?

[gardener]

Would the bishops transcripts be different from St Lukes Parish Regis?

Yes and no.

In theory they are just a copy of the registers that was made and submitted to the Bishop every year.
In practice they may have been written up at the same time as the register, or copied later. Sometimes they have errors made in the process. Sometimes they have entries that were lost (or seemingly never entered in the register).
I can't remember how the Cradley Heath register entries looked, or even if I ever saw the images.
The bishop's transcripts would be at Worcester Archives

https://www.worcesterbmsgh.co.uk/parish ... ranscripts

[Jimmy]

Are they the same as the "vicars notes".

[gardener]

Are they the same as the "vicars notes".

Don't think so. By this time (1845 onwards) I would expect them to be just a copy of the register entries. So they might only be useful if the entries around 1850 were in poor condition or something.

[gardener]

Just digging around online to write another reply, and I found that there was an Act in 1853, making it compulsary to vaccinate babies against smallpox within three months of birth. Apparently registered births fell briefly as a consequence.

Perhaps Samuel Rose was an early antivaxer

[Northern Lass]

I will archive this for now and if the other member contacts will bring it back.