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John Tate on BCC.

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John Tate on BCC is on twice,

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=584549

and,

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=584562

The 1881 census as children with mother's maiden name MUCKLOW not Fellows.

1881. Colley Gate.
John Tate 45. Puddler. Cradley.
Emila Tate 45. Cradley.
Samuel A. Tate 22. mother Mucklow.
Isaiah Tate 18. mother Mucklow.
James J. Tate 16.
Frank R. Tate 11. mother FELLOWS.
John W.J. Tate 9. mother Mucklow.
Alfred J. Tate 6. mother Mucklow.
Martha E. Tate 4. mother Mucklow.
Emila P. Tate 2. mother Mucklow


5 Jul 1857 St Mary Oldswinford
John TATE 21 B Puddler The Lye Father Abel Tate Victualler
Emily FELLOWS 22 S The Lye Father Isaiah? Fellows Millman
After Banns John Signed The X Of Emily
Wit; Cornelius Deeley X / Sarah Deeley X.
Others born Colley Gate.

there isn't a Marriage for a Tate to a Mucklow.
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There is another Tate / Fellows on BCC,

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=584571
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I don't inderstand why some children have MMN as Mucklow and some Fellows.

Where is Emily in 1851 ?

Name Emeline Fellows
Sex Female
Christening Date 1 Apr 1832
Christening Place Cradley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original) Cradley, Worcester, England
Father's Name Thomas Fellows
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Maria
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening

1911 25 Ashtree Road Old Hill
Emily Tate Head 75 Widow Born Cradley
Joseph Tate Son 37 Singe Gun Barrel Grinder Born Cradley
Howard Tate Grand Son 19 Single Butcher Born Cradley


Name: Emily Tate
Death Age: 87
Birth Date: abt 1834
Registration Date: Oct 1921
[Nov 1921]
[Dec 1921]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Dudley
Inferred County: Worcestershire
Volume: 6b
Page: 966


Name Samuel Abel Tate
Sex Male
Christening Date 13 Feb 1859
Christening Place Cradley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original) Cradley, Worcester, England
Father's Name John Tate
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Emily
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening

TATE, SAMUEL ABEL MUCKLOW
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 162

TATE, LOIS CONSTANCE MUCKLOW
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 170

TATE, ISAIAH HARRY MUCKLOW
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE 383 Volume 06C Page 143

TATE, JANNAS TAMBRES FELLOWS
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 183
Is this Thomas?

TATE, SARAH LOIS FELLOWS
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 184

TATE, FRANK RICHARD FELLOWS
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 165

TATE, JOHN WILLIAM JAMES MACKLOW
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 177

TATE, ALFRED JOSEPH MUCKLOW
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 165

TATE, MARTHA ELLEN MUCKLOW
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 186

TATE, EMILY PHILLIS MUCKLOW
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 156


John William James Tate emmigrated to Massachusetts in 1907

Name: John William James Tate
Declaration Age: 35
Birth Date: abt 1872
Record Type: Naturalization Declaration
Departure Place: Liverpool, England
Arrival Place: New York, New York
Declaration Date: 24 Jan 1907
Ship: Lucania
Declaration Number: 463

on his marriage in 1910 he lists mother as Emily Muckler

Name: John W J Tate
Age: 38
Birth Year: abt 1872
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 2 Feb 1910
Marriage Place: Quincy, Massachusetts, USA
Father:
John Tate
Mother:
Emily Muckler
Spouse:
Mary Jane Massey Bowers
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Found this

1851 Club Buildings Rowley Regis
Isaiah Fellows Head Widower 37 Millman Born Wednesbury
Mary A Fellows Daur 12 Scholar
Ellen Fellows Daur 11 Scholar
Martha Fellows Daur 8 Scholar Born Rowley Regis
Benjamin Fellows Son 4
Lucy Fellows Daur 1
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I can't see Emily Fellows.

1841. Cradley Heath. Rowley Regis.
Isaiah Fellows 25. forgeman.
Elizabeth Fellows 20.
Mary Fellows 2.
Ellen Fellows 1.
Edward Fellows 4 Mo.

All born in county.
FELLOWS, ELEANOR SMITH.
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 267.

FELLOWS, EDWARD SMITH.
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 299.

1851. Club building Rowley Regis.
Isaiah Fellows 37. widow. mill man. Wednesbury.
Mary A Fellows 12. dau.
Ellen Fellows 11. dau.
Martha Fellows 8. dau
Benjamin Fellows 4. son.
Lucy Fellows 1. dau.

FELLOWS, MARTHA SMITH.
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 278.

FELLOWS, BENJAMIN SMITH.
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 289.

FELLOWS, LUCY SMITH.
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 332.
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Dudley St Thomas.
Marriage date 14 May 1837.
Isaiah FELLOWES. Dudley. bachelor.
Elizabeth SMITH. Dudley. spinster.
Witness 1 Thomas ALLEN.
Witness 2 Phebe SMITH.
Notes By Banns-Groom & witness 1 signed. Bride & witness 2 marked X.
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Cradley Heath St Luke.
Burial date 30 Mar 1851.
Elizabeth FELLOWS. age 37.
Burial person abode Cradley Heath.
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Bingo,
1841. Cradley, Halesowen.
Joseph Muclow 45. painter.
Eliza Muclow 45.
Caroline Muclow 15.
Emila Muclow 7.
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??????

1851. Maple Gap Lane, Cradley.
Charles Southwick 47
Ann Southwick 56
Emma Mucklow 16, visitor. servant. Cradley.
Mary Mucklow 33. sister.
Thomas Mucklow 31.. nephew.
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Burial,
MUCKLOW, JOSEPH age 62.
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 332.
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I am getting totally lost on this.

Joseph Mucklow is on BCC here https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=584625

isaiah Fellows here https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=584620

Charles Southwick here https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=584625


Name Sarah Mucklow
Sex Female
Birth Date 10 Apr 1813
Birthplace Cradley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Birthplace (Original) Particular Baptist, Cradley, Worcester, England
Father's Name Joseph Mucklow
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Mary
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Birth

Name Mary Mucklow
Sex Female
Birth Date 3 Mar 1816
Birthplace Cradley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Birthplace (Original) Particular Baptist, Cradley, Worcester, England
Father's Name Joseph Mucklow
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Mary
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Birth

Name Elizabeth Muckley
Sex Female
Birth Date 26 Dec 1818
Birthplace Cradley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Birthplace (Original) Particular Baptist, Cradley, Worcester, England
Father's Name Joseph Muckley
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Mary
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Birth

Name Caroline Mucklow
Sex Female
Birth Date 14 Jan 1823
Birthplace Cradley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Birthplace (Original) Particular Baptist, Cradley, Worcester, England
Father's Name Joseph Mucklow
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Mary
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Birth
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Think i've added everything

Emily Fellows/ Mucklow here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =521311706

Can't figure out how to add mother as she could be Eliza who is with Joseph Mucklow or it could be Elizabeth Smith wife of Isiah Fellows before marriage
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Think I've worked out who Emilys mother was.

From Vicars notes 1863
95.
Tate,
John, Puddler, Emma, a child born out of wedlock, 1 Samuel, 5. Her mother Sarah Homer.

Sarah Homer was Sarah Mucklow before marriage to Jesse Homer, she was the daughter of Joseph Mucklow who Emily was living with in 1841.

Plus the witness' at John Tate and Emilys marriage were Cornelius and Sarah Deeley, Sarah Deeley nee Sanders was the daughter of Elizabeth Mucklow Sarah Mucklow sister.
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Nice find, it's surprising what the vicar knows. But why did she marry under the name Fellows.?
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Her father was Isaiah Fellows named on marriage cert
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