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Postby mallosa » Sat May 07, 2022 5:49 am

Can't quite make out what year his mother died

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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby mumbles » Sat May 07, 2022 12:43 pm

It looks like in 1920,s for Elizabeth Death,
There is an Elizabeth Williams died aged 73 in Wolverhampton in 1920
and an Elizabeth Williams died aged 73 in West Bromwich in 1924 .
It depends where grave is .
There are a number of William Williams marrying an Elizabeth in 1966 to 1969 but no surname that ties up with a John Williams born 1868 to 1869
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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby kdwoodie » Sat May 07, 2022 4:12 pm

Bear with me on this

WILLIAMS, JOHN HENRY DAVIS
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 8

1871 High Street Rowley Regis
William William 26 Head M Blacksmith Born Tipton
Elizabeth William 27 Wife M Dressmaker Born Rowley Regis
John H William 3 Son Born Rowley Regis
Florence E William 2 Daughter Born Rowley Regis
Walter William 10/12 Son Born Rowley Regis
Matilda Tromans 12 Servant Domestic Servant Born Rowley Regis

1881 175 High Street Rowley Regis
William Williams Head Mar 36 Gas Fitting Maker Born Wednesbury
Elizabeth Williams Wife Mar 37 Milliner Born Cradley
John H. Williams Son 13 Scholar Born Cradley Heath
Florence E. Williams Daur 12 Scholar Born Cradley Heath
Walter Williams Son 10 Scholar Born Cradley Heath
David H. Williams Son 9 Scholar Born Cradley Heath
William H. Williams Son 7 Scholar Born Cradley Heath
Luther E. Williams Son 3 Born Cradley Heath
Fred H. Williams Son 10 Mths Born Cradley Heath

Rowley Regis
St Giles
Parish Register
Register entry number 149
Marriage date 15 Apr 1888
John Henry WILLIAMS 20 bachelor Striker Cradley Heath William WILLIAMS Fitting Maker
Mary Ellen WARDLE 20 spinster Cradley Heath Alfred WARDLE Oil Sales
Witness1 Thomas WHITEHOUSE
Witness2 Fanny Matilda WHITEHOUSE

1891 High Street Rowley Regis
John Williams 23 Head M Fitting Maker Lock Born Rowley Regis
Ellen Williams 23 Wife M Dress Milliner Born Rowley Regis
Ethel Williams 2 Daughter Born Rowley Regis

Name: Mary Ellen Williams
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place: Dudley, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Sep 1898
Inferred Death Place: Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 6c
Page: 9


Harborne, St Peter
2 Aug 1899
John Henry Williams 31 Bachelor Fitter Reddal Hill William Williams Foreman
Alice Brooks 28 Spinster Harborne Jeremiah Brooks Traveller
Wit 1 Herbert Brooks
Wit 2 Nelli Holiday
All signed
Image on Ancestry

1901 Public House ? Heath Upper Swinford
John Henry Williams Head M 33 Publican Born Cradley Heath
Alice Williams Wife M 30 Born Lye
Ethel Williams Daur 12 School Girl Born Hayseech
Stanley Williams Son 9 School Boy Born Cradley Heath
Gwen Joline Alice Williams Daur 8/12 Born Old Hill

Name: John Henry Williams
Birth Date: 1867
Death Date: 8 Jul 1907
Cemetery: Halesowen Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Halesowen, Metropolitan Borough of Dudley, West Midlands, England
Has Bio?: N
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/219 ... y-williams

1911 95 Reddall Hill Road, Old Hill, Staffs
Alice Williams Head 36 Widowed Shop Keeper Born Lye
Stanley Williams Son 19 Single Clerk Born Cradley Heath
Gwendoline Alice Williams Daughter 10 School Born Old HIll
Jack Williams Son 9 School Born Halesowen
George Cliffe Boarder 23 Single Assistant Shop Born Walsall
Autther George Bott Boarder 18 Single Baker Born Bromsgrove

Children of John
WILLIAMS, ETHEL WARDLE
GRO Reference: 1888 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 21

WILLIAMS, STANLEY WARDLE
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 16 ??? Should this be Brooks

WILLIAMS, GWENDOLINE ALICE BROOKS
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 27

WILLIAMS, JACK BROOKS
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 158


Dudley
St Andrew (Netherton)
Unspecified
Marriage date 18 Sep 1866
William WILLIAMS Full age Netherton bachelor Blacksmith Josiah WILLIAMS Blacksmith
Elizabeth DAVIES Full age Netherton spinster Enoch DAVIES Chainmaker
Witness1 Joseph COOKSEY
Witness2 Esther PERRY

1891 Cant read name of Road Rowley Regis
William Williams 46 Head M Foreman to Fitting Maker Born Gospel Oak
Elizabeth Williams 47 Wife M Milliner Dress Born Cradley
Florence E Williams 22 Daughter S Milliners Assistant Born Rowley Regis
Walt W Williams 20 Son S Drapers Apprentice Born Rowley Regis
David H Williams 19 Son S Pupil Teacher Born Rowley Regis
William H Williams 17 Son S Drapers Apprentice Born Rowley Regis
Arthur E Williams 13 Son S Scholar Born Rowley Regis
Fredrick H Williams 10 Son Scholar Born Rowley Regis
Lily G Williams 9 Daughter Scholar Born Rowley Regis
Miriam E Williams 4 Daughter Scholar Born Rowley Regis
Martha Howitt 19 Servant S General Servant Domestic Born Rowley Regis

1901 9 Turnip ? Road Rowley Regis
William Williams Head M 56 Foreman Iron Tibe Works Born Gosel Oak
Elizabeth Williams Wife M 57 Born Cradley
Frederick H Williams Son S 20 Carpenters Apprentice Born Cradley Heath
Lily G Williams Daur 19 S Milliners Assistant Born Cradley Heath
William E Williams Son 14 S Born Blackheath

1911 Beeches Rd, Blackheath, Birmingham
William Williams Head 66 Married Manager In Tube Work Born Wednesbury
Elizabeth Williams Wife 67 Married Born Cradley
Fredrick Harold Williams Son 30 Single Fitter Maker Born Cradley Heath
Ethel Williams Grand Daughter 22 Single Hospital Nurse Born Halesowen
Married 44 Years 10 Children 8 Living 2 Died


Children of William and Elizabeth

WILLIAMS, JOHN HENRY DAVIS
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 8

WILLIAMS, FLORENCE ELIZABETH DAVIS
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 24

WILLIAMS, WALTER DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 24

WILLIAMS, DAVID HANDEL DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 5

WILLIAMS, WILLIAM HENRY DAVIS
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 13

WILLIAMS, ARTHUR EDGAR DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 9

WILLIAMS, FREDERICK HAROLD DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 10

WILLIAMS, LILY GERTRUDE DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 8

WILLIAMS, MIRIAM EDITH DAVIS
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 13

Given Elizabeths age as 73 on the headstone and her birth on census as abt 1844 the nearest i can see is this
Deaths Dec 1916
Williams Elizabeth 72 Dudley 6b 1055

Halesowen Cemetery Section F 161 01/01/1917 1 Elizabeth Williams
Halesowen Cemetery Section F 161 23/04/1924 2 William Williams

B/C Number 829
Burial Date 01/01/1917
Date of Death
Name Elizabeth Williams
Age 72 Years
Denomination
Funeral Director
Service Full Burial
Cemetery Halesowen Cemetery
Section Section F
Grave 161

B/C Number 700
Burial Date 23/04/1924
Date of Death
Name William Williams
Age 79 Years
Denomination
Funeral Director
Service Full Burial
Cemetery Halesowen Cemetery
Section Section F
Grave 161
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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby kdwoodie » Sat May 07, 2022 6:04 pm

Elizabeths parents here https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=575966

Joseph Davies Here https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=575966

Name: Enoch Davis
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 31 May 1822
Baptism Place: Cradley, Staffordshire, England
Denomination: Presbyterian
Father:
Joseph Davis
Mother:
Elizabeth Davis

Wolverhampton
St Peter
Parish Register
Register entry number 453
Marriage date 23 Oct 1842
Enoch DAVIES full age Chain maker Jos DAVIES Miner
Sarah Ann SKIDMORE 20 D SKIDMORE Deceased
Witness1 J PERKINS
Witness2 J BIDDULPH
Notes J Biddulph, Junr.


1851 Lumbans Bank Cradley
Enoch Davies Head Mar 30 Inspector of Chains Born Netherton
Sarah Ann Davies Wife Mar 26 Born Kingswinford
Thomas Davies Son 8 Born Cradley
Elizabeth Davies Daur 6 Born Cradley
Sarah Ann Davies Daur 5 Born Cradley
David Davies Son 3 Born Cradley
Mary Davies Daur 2 Born Cradley
Laban Homer App 15 Apprentice to Inspector of Chains Born Cradley
Alexander Mollins Lodger Mar 29 Engineer Born NK

1861 Derby End Pargeters Colliery
Enoch Davies Head Mar 42 Chain Maker Born Dudley
Sarah Ann Davies Wife Mar 39 Born Dudley
Thomas Davies Son 18 Chain Maker Born Rowley
Elizabeth Davies Daur 17 Chain Maker Born Cradley
Sarah Ann Davies Daur 15 Chain Maker Born Rowley
David Davies Son 13 Chain Maker Born Rowley
Mary Davies Daur 12 Chain Maker Born Rowley
Enoch Davies Son 9 Chain Maker Born Cradley
John Davies Son 6 Scholar Born Dudley
Esther Davies Daur 4 Scholar Born Rowley
Eliza Davies Daur 1 Born Rowley
Eli Griffin App 14 Chain Makers App Born Rowley
Next Door
Joseph Davies Head Mar 66 Coal Miner and Beer House Keeper Born Dudley
Elizabeth Davies Wife Mar 61 Born Rowley
William Davies Son Un 21 Chain Maker Born Rowley
Esther Grice Mar Daur (Crossed through)19 Visitor(Crossed through) Born Rowley
Elizabeth Davies Grand Daur 8 Born Cradley
Joseph Davies Grandson 4 Born Cradley
Mary Buffrey Serv 13 General Servant Born Cradley

1871 Darbys Road Rowley Regis
Enoch Davis 52 Head Mar Chain Maker Born Dudley
Sarah Ann Davis 49 Wife Mar Born Tipton
David Davis 23 Son Un Chain Maker Born Halesowen
Mary Davis 22 Daughter Chain Maker Born Halesowen
Enoch Davis 19 Son Chain Maker Born Halesowen
John Davis 16 Son Chain Maker Born Dudley
Esther Davis 13 Daughter Chain Maker Born Rowley Regis
Eliza Davis 11 Daughter Born Rowley Regis
George Davis 7 Son Born Rowley Regis
Joseph Davis 1 Son Born Rowley Regis
Next Door
Elizabeth Davies Head Wid 72 Born Rowley Regis
Caroline Morhgan Daur Mar 42 Born Rowley Regis
William Davies Son Mar Chain Maker Born Rowley Regis
Joseph Davies Grandson 14 Chain Maker Born Rowley Regis
Harry Davies Grandson 16 Chain Maker Born Rowley Regis

DAVIS, ELIZABETH SKIDMORE
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 485
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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby mallosa » Sat May 07, 2022 11:09 pm

Thanks kdw, that'll keep me out of mischief for a while :shock:

I've started to add to BCC but off to bed now (busy day tomorrow)

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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby mallosa » Tue May 10, 2022 11:29 pm

This is his 2nd marriage :?

Harborne, St Peter
2 Aug 1899
John Henry Williams 31 Bachelor Fitter Reddal Hill William Williams Foreman
Alice Brooks 28 Spinster Harborne Jeremiah Brooks Traveller
Wit 1 Herbert Brooks
Wit 2 Nelli Holiday
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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby kdwoodie » Wed May 11, 2022 6:16 am

I don't understand it either, but Ethel his daughter is living with Grandparents in 1911.
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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby Jimmy » Wed May 11, 2022 1:42 pm

WILLIAMS, JOHN HENRY DAVIS.
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 8.

Dudley St Andrew (Netherton).
Marriage date 18 Sep 1866.
William WILLIAMS. Full age. Netherton. bachelor. Blacksmith. Josiah WILLIAMS. Blacksmith.
Elizabeth DAVIES. Full age. Netherton. spinster. Enoch DAVIES. Chainmaker.
Witness 1 Joseph COOKSEY.
Witness 2 Esther PERRY.
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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby mallosa » Fri May 13, 2022 8:05 pm

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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby mallosa » Mon May 16, 2022 8:31 am

mallosa wrote:This is his 2nd marriage :?

Harborne, St Peter
2 Aug 1899
John Henry Williams 31 Bachelor Fitter Reddal Hill William Williams Foreman
Alice Brooks 28 Spinster Harborne Jeremiah Brooks Traveller
Wit 1 Herbert Brooks
Wit 2 Nelli Holiday
All signed
Image on Ancestry


Can we confirm that this Alice (Brooks) - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =740785040

is this one - https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =369591816
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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby kdwoodie » Tue May 17, 2022 12:46 pm

BROOKS, ALICE    BAKER  GRO Reference: 1867  M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 193

BROOKS, HERBERT    BAKER  GRO Reference: 1873  D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 203

Herbert is a witness
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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby mallosa » Tue May 17, 2022 9:49 pm

Thanks kdwoodie

However I can't get past the fact that there is an Alice Brookes born 1867 and an Alice Brooks born 1871 both with father Jeremiah (commercial traveller)

So even though there is an age difference, is she the same one?

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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby kdwoodie » Wed May 18, 2022 10:01 am

I think they are the same person born 1867 and she lied about age.

On the marriage there is also Geo H Holliday

Marriages Sep 1898  
BROOKS Clara  Birmingham 6d327  
Holliday George Henry  Birmingham 6d327

BROOKS, CLARA    BAKER  GRO Reference: 1871  S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 155
Is this Clarice on BCC here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=576668
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Re: Parents of John Williams

Postby mallosa » Thu May 19, 2022 7:18 am

Ok, I've added as much as I can now

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =997787884

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =225340303

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =813894190

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