Homer family

[Frodo]

I am trying to ascertain the relationship between three people with the surname Homer for my cousin in America. They are connected to Isabel Payton, her grandmother via the female line. Isabel's aunt Martha Hay (1881-1974) married William Homer (1864(3?)-1942) . My cousin does not know of any children they might have had they did bring up two children with the surname Homer but we have been unable to confirm their parentage. During my research I have been unable to locate William in Censuses beyond 1881 until 1939 Register and cannot find Martha in 1911 when she was still living with her parents. They lived in Halesowen.

From research I have done using the 1921 Census, Ancestry and Family Search I have the family on holiday in Llandudno. Living with William and Martha are Barbara Joan Homer age 8 born Old Hill October-December 1912and her sister Margaret Pauline age 5 born 23rd February 1916. They are listed as grandaughters and the parents are listed as being alive. I have managed to locate birth information confirming the dates and on it the parent (mother) has the surname Cartwright. Both girls married in 1937 Barbara to a John Caleb Hogg and Pauline to Eric Gordon Coombes. I also found death records, Barbara died October 1976 in Birmingham, Pauline died December 1979/January 1980 in Walsall.

William and Martha are both on Connection but not matched up, the two children are not. Is there anyway of sourcing their parents. Do Martha and William have a son who had a relationship with someone called Cartwright or is there another answer?

[kdwoodie]

HOMER William HAY Martha 1919 Cradley Heath, Holy Trinity Sandwell Register Office 19/5/197

There is a will for William Homer

Name: William Homer
Death Date: 21 May 1942
Death Place: Worcestershire, Worcester, England
Probate Date: 22 Jul 1942
Probate Registry: Birmingham, England

HOMER William of Roselands Halesowen Road Hill Halesowen Worcestershire died 21 May 1942 Probate Birmingham 22 July to Martha Homer widow Barbara Joan Hogg (Wife of John Caleb Hogg)and Margaret Pauline Coombes(Wife of Eric Gordon Coombes)Effects £10105 8s 11d Resworn £10908 18s 11d

Possible ?

1901 Pearson Street Rowley Regis
William Homer Head Mar 37 Chain Harrow ? Maker Born Halesowen
Elizabeth Homer Wife Mar 33 Born Rowley Regis
Walter Homer Son 11 Born Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Sall Serv S 18 Domestic Servant Born Rowley Regis


1911 65 Pearson St, Old Hill, Staffs
William Homer Head 47 Married Nail Manufacturer Born Halesowen
Elizabeth Homer Wife 43 Married Born Old Hill
Walter Homer Son 21 Single Clerk Born Old Hill
Annie Butter Servant 21 Single General Servant Born Cradley

Halesowen
St John the Baptist
Parish Register
Register entry number 29
Marriage date 5 Nov 1888
William HOMER 25 bachelor spike maker Witley Terrace, Hasbury Neri HOMER spike maker
Elizabeth WOODALL 21 spinster chain maker Hasbury Ephraim WOODALL chain maker
Witness1 George H HOMER
Witness2 Harriet BAGLEY

HOMER, WALTER WOODALL
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 9

HOMER Walter CARTWRIGHT Lavinia 1911 Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/005/27

Deaths Dec 1927
Homer Walter 38 Dudley 6b 876

Deaths Mar 1928
Homer Lavinia 39 Dudley 6b 962

Births Dec 1912
Homer Barbara J Cartwright Dudley 6c 21

Births Jun 1916
Homer Margaret P Cartwright Dudley 6b 1660

Marriage certificates would help

Name: Matha Hay
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Nurse
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Halesowen, Warwickshire
Civil Parish: Tiverton
Country: England
Street Address: Exeleigh, Tiverton, Devon
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Nurse Domestic
Registration District Number: 282
Sub-registration District: Tiverton
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Piece: 13248

[Frodo]

My cousin in America knows that Martha was a live in nurse maid in 1905 then became a dressmaker so the 1911 Census makes sense.
In the 1921 Census William is an Agricultural Implement Maker so that could be the correct census. If so is there a death entry or divorce? for Elizabeth. William and Martha were married in 1919.
We also have Neri as William's father.
Could William Homer age 11 in 1901 be a connection to Barbara and Pauline?

[kdwoodie]

Could William Homer age 11 in 1901 be a connection to Barbara and Pauline? Do you mean Walter ?

He could be the father of the girls.

Can you check 1921 census for Walter and Lavinia ?

Possible death for Elizabeth
Deaths Jun 1913
Homer Elizabeth 45 Dudley 6b 1073

[Frodo]

I have just looked up Walter and Lavinia Homer and in 1921 they were living on Woodlands Barrs Road, Old Hill with a servant called Edith May Matthews. Walter age 31, Lavinia 32. Walter was manager at Mr Homer & Son, Chain Harrows and C Manufacturers. Lavinia was on home duties.
By chance I am at Manchester Central Library, we have free access to the Census in Manchester but are only allowed to log on for a limited amount of time 9.30-3.30 Monday to Friday so any further look ups may have to wait until another visit.

[kdwoodie]

All added here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =294891104

Apart form marriage lookups i dont see what else can be added.

If all ok can you please put completed

[Frodo]

Could the 1921 Census be added for William and Martha? On Census Day they were at 7 and 8 Hill Terrace, Llandudno as visitors. I looked the address up and it is currently an hotel so I presume it was then. With them were Barbara Joan and Margaret Pauline listed as grandchildren. They are listed as Homer not Cartwright. Can this be changed or a note added on Connection as I noticed they have been added with the surname Cartwright. William was an Agricultural Implement Manufacturer, Martha on Home Duties.
I made copies of the Census entries if they are needed I could email them to Mallosa.

[kdwoodie]

For the time being i have removed the 1921 info for Walter

See this thread viewtopic.php?f=12&t=24277

I have added information as it is in records for Barbara and Margaret.

[Frodo]

That makes sense, I must admit I was surprised that I didn't have to pay. For me it is just a photocopy at 20p a sheet. I live in Manchester and Central Library was chosen as one of the three places in the country with free access to the Census but I went anticipating making notes to save paying the fees but we are allowed to do print outs.

[Northern Lass]

If this is now completed I will archive.

Moving to arc unless you need more on this.

[Frodo]

No that's fine, my cousin in America has looked and is happy with the results.