aRC..Simmons or Parker

[mumbles]

MANN John SIMMONS Obia 1863 Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/3/199

Select marriage 5/4/1863 St. Giles Rowley Regis
John Mann 20 father John Mann
Obia Simmons 21 father William Simmons

1871 Census Tividale Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
John Mann Head 28 Labourer Iron Works. born N.K. Worcs.
Abia Mann wife 30 born N.K. Gloucs.
Susannah Mann dau 12 Scholar
Emily Mann dau 6 Scholar
William Mann son 5 Scholar
John Mann son 1
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.

1881 Census Dudley Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
John Mann Head 38 Labourer Iron Works. born Dumbleton Gloucs.
Abia Mann wife 40 born ?
Susan Mann dau 22 Brickmaker
Emily Mann dau 16 Scholar
William Mann son 15 Coal Miner
Edith Mann dau 13 Scholar
John Mann son 11
Ellen Mann dau 8 Scholar
Esther Mann dau 7 Scholar
Charles Mann son 5 Scholar
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.

1891 Census 146 Dudley Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
John Mann Head 48 Colliery Labourer born Lindridge N.K.
Abia Mann wife 50 born Forest of Dean Monmouthshire
John T. Mann son 21 Colliery Labourer
Charles Mann son 15 Colliery Labourer
Edith Mann dau 13 Scholar
Violet Mann dau 9 Scholar
Andrew Mann son 9 Scholar
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.

1901 Census 4 Tipton Road Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
John Mann Head 58 Granite Quarry Man Carter born Shropshire
Abia Mann wife 59 born Wales
Florence Mann dau 28
Charles Mann son 25 Canal Boatman
Violet Mann dau 19
Andrew Mann son 19 Canal Boatman
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.

1911 Census 6 Tipton Road Tividale Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
John Mann Head 68 (wid) Labourer Granite Quarry born Shropshire N.K.
Married 47 years, 11 children, 10 living
Andrew Mann son 39 Boatman Coal Way
Ellen Florence Mann dau 39
Rest born Rowley Regis Staffs.

Note some of children registered as mother Simmonds and some as Parker

This family I think are family of Abia

1851 Census Wordsley Green Wordsley Kingswinford Stourbridge Staffs.
William Parker Head 41 Coal Miner
Abia Parker wife 40
Hannah Parker dau 19
Phillip Parker son 13 Coal Miner
Ephraim Parker son 12 Coal Miner
Alice ( Abia on original) Parker 10 At School born Kingwinford Staffs.
Luesia Parker dau 7 At School born Kingwinford Staffs.
Rest born Forest of Dean Gloucs.

1861 Census High Street Kingswinford Stourbridge Staffs.
Abiah Parker Head 50 (m) Charwoman born St. Braivels / Gloucs.
Abiah Parker dau 20 Labourer in Brick Works born Drybrook Gloucs.
Louisa Parker dau 16 born Kingwinford Staffs.
Ephraim Parker son 10
Hiram Parker son 8
Rebecca Parker dau 6
Susan Parker dau 1
Rest born Kingswinford Staffs.
Some of children registered as mother Stevens

[mumbles]

Cannot find her by using variations of Abia , Obia , Abiah etc.
Cannot find Parker family before 1851 and discrepancy between 1851 and 1861 showing birth place of some family members as either Forest of Dean or Kingswinford ( most of children are Kingswinford in later Census records)
Drybrook Gloucs. is in Forest of Dean, St Briavels Hundred is in Forest of Dean
after 1861 some family members married and left Kingswinford to return to Forest of Dean
Abia Parker 72 is shown as born Forest of Dean in Gloucs, in 1881 and 1891

Reference John Mann who married Obia Simmons in 1863 in St. Giles
He is shown as born Dumbleton Gloucs on 1881 Census but NK Worcs. on 1871
Abia is shown as NK. Gloucs on 1871

Need to post that 1863 marriage I think

[mumbles]

Done some more research and feel they are two separate families despite names and coincidence of places of birth

[mumbles]

What is Weird though is that Children of John Mann and Obia Simmons are registered as follows
Susanna Mann born 1859 cannot find and before marriage
Emily Margaret Mann 1864 m. Parker
William Mann 1866 m. Parker
John Thomas Mann 1870 m. Simmonds
Henrietta Mann ( Esther on Transcription of Census) 1874 m. Simmons
Charles Mann 1876 m. Parker
Edith Mary Mann 1878 m. Parker
Violet Mann 1881 . m Simmonds
Andrew Mann 1882 m Simmonds
Ellen Florence Mann 1883 m Parker

[mumbles]

I will post as separate families with notes unless anyone comes up with other info

[Northern Lass]

That is so weird...they do look like the same family though don't they.

any baptisms?

[mumbles]

I am still working on it to try and find link. Probably needs a Jimmy touch

[Northern Lass]

Adding in some of the births on the kids
cant see Susannahs...she must be a Simmons or Parker as born before marriage?

[Northern Lass]

So Obias kids
1859...Susannah....cant find
1864 Emily is mothers name =PARKER
1866 William is mmn =PARKER
1869 John Thomas =SIMMONDS
1872 Ellen Florence=PARKER
1873 Henrietta =SIMMONDS
1875 Charles =PARKER
1878 Edith Mary =PARKER
1881 Violet =SIMMONDS

adding as I go.

[Northern Lass]

Mumbles I have split this thread to work on that William Parker and Obia (Stevens)

Ok to archive this one for now?

starting to add the Parker Stephens stuff.

[Northern Lass]

Put that Rowley regis marriage for a look up I will try and look it up ....

[mumbles]

Will do NL.
OK to Archive