Siviters ?

[kdwoodie]

Trying to sort Siviters out.

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... i=74992546

BCC has wife as Martha.

1841 Census has wife Sarah.

Name: Sarah Smart
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 08 Dec 1833
Marriage Place: Old Swinford,Worcester,England
Spouse:
Eli Siviter
FHL Film Number: 527938, 527939, 527940, 527942, 527943, 533992, 533993, 533994, 533995, 533996

Name: Sarah Siviter
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: Dudley, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1845
Inferred Death Place: Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 18
Page: 273

1851 Eli has wife Martha on census.

I can only find births for children with MMN Marsh

SIVITER, WILLIAM MARSH
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 284

SIVITER, JOHN MARSH
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 313

SIVITER, JOSEPH MARSH
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 13

I cant see a marriage for Eli and Martha.

John Siviters 2nd was to Phoebe Nock nee Priest
Cradley Heath
St Luke
Parish Register
Register entry number 178
Marriage date 18 Mar 1888
John SIVITER 35 widower collier Old Hill Eli SIVITER miner
Phoebe NOCK 32 widow Old Hill Timothy PRIEST miner
Witness 1 John BURNS
Witness 2 Susannah PRIEST

In 1881 John is living with John Thompson and his wife Mary
35 Cherry Orchard Rowley Regis
John Thompson Head Mar 56 Horse Nail Maker Birn Rowley Regis
Mary A. Thompson Wife Mar 56 Nail Maker Born Rowley Regis
John Siveter Son in Law Widr 29 Coal Miner Born Rowley Regis
Mary Siveter Grand Daur 10 Scholar Born Rowley Regis
Martha Siveter Grand Daur 8 Scholar Born Rowley Regis

1861 John and Mary Thompson have a daughter Caroline born abt 1849

There is this death for Caroline
Name: Caroline Siviter
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: Dudley, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1880
Inferred Death Place: Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 6c
Page: 13

This could be John and Carolines marriage
Name:
John Siviter
Sex:
Male
Spouse's Name:
Caroline Davies
Spouse's Sex:
Female
Marriage Date:
6 May 1872
Marriage Place:
Saint Thomas's Church, Dudley, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Marriage Place (Original):
Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England

I think Caroline is Marys daughter and Mary and John Thompson didn't marry.

[Northern Lass]

That works for Johns marriage do you want me to slot that in?

what are we looking for marriage for Eli and Sarah and Eli and Martha?

[kdwoodie]

Yes please if you think its correct.

Eli and Sarah is above, don't understand Martha on BCC says daughter of Daniel and Phoebe so who is Sarah

[Northern Lass]

So he marries a Sarah
Name: Sarah Smart
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 08 Dec 1833
Marriage Place: Old Swinford,Worcester,England
Spouse:
Eli Siviter
FHL Film Number: 527938, 527939, 527940, 527942, 527943, 533992, 533993, 533994, 533995, 533996

she dies 1845?

then William John and Joseph belong to Martha Marsh?

[kdwoodie]

Yes but martha cant be the daughter of Daniel and Phoebe if Maidien name is Marsh

[Northern Lass]

Shall we disconnect Martha Smart and put Martha Marsh

and put in Sarah on the other kids?

[kdwoodie]

I think so , i can only find a baptism for Martha Smart 1816.

Rowley Regis
Church name (Links to more information) St Giles
Register type (Links to more information) Other Transcript
Baptism date 14 Feb 1816
Person forename Martha
Person sex F
Father forename Daniel
Mother forename Phebe
Father surname SMART
Person abode Old Hill.
Father occupation Nailer
Notes Sibling of Samuel

[Northern Lass]

So is Sarah Smart another dau of Phebe and that is why Eli is there in 1841
so do we add Sarah in and the marriage to Eli and as dau of DAniel and phbe

[kdwoodie]

I cant see any baptism for Sarah Smart.

[kdwoodie]

Archive if you think all ok, thanks for the help.

[Northern Lass]

So I can add a note....to sarah

see if this works.
what do you think
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =941921273

[kdwoodie]

that looks ok to me

[Northern Lass]

Value
County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Cradley Heath
Church name (Links to more information) St Luke
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 814
Burial date 13 Sep 1857
Burial person forename Martha
Burial person surname SIVITER
Person age 34
Burial person abode Reddall Hill

1857
Surname Forename(s) Year Sub-District Registers At Reference Add to Summary
SIVETER Martha 1857 Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/13/195

[kdwoodie]

That works Eli is a widower 1861

[Northern Lass]

Ok to arc

I cant see a marriage for a marsh and Eli siviter either...