ARC TBC...Question Benjamin father of John Clarke 1850

[kdwoodie]

John here on BCC https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... 85059&ver=

Can anyone make sense of this ?

Is John Clarke or Connor ?

1851 Lower Gornal
Benjamin Clark Head U 42 Labpurer Born Sedgley
Mary Connor Woman U 38 Labourers Wife Born Roscommon Ireland
Benjamin Connor Son 6 Scholar Born Sedgley
Samuel Connor Son 5 Scholar Born Sedgley
John Connor Son 2 Scholar Born Sedgley
Sarah Connor Daur 2 Mo At Home Born Sedgley


1861 Lower Gornal
Benjn Clark Head Mar 50 Excavator Labourer Born Sedgley
Mary Clark Wife Mar 44 House Duties Born Roscommon Ireland
Benjn Clark Son Un 17 Miner Born Sedgley
Saml Clark Son Un 14 Miner Born Sedgley
John Clark Son Un 12 Miner Born Sedgley
Sarah Clark Daur 10 Scholar Born Sedgley
Mary Clark Daur 8 Scholar Born Sedgley
Henry Clark Son 6 Schoalr Born Sedgley
Emanl Evans Lodger Un 19 Miner Born Sedgley
Thos Evans Lodger Un17 Miner born Sedgley
George Evans Lodger Un 11 Miner Born Sedgley

1871 31 Ruiton Street Sedgley
Benjn Clarke 62 Head Mar Labourer Born Sedgley
Mary Clarke 57 Wife Mar Born Ireland
Henry Clarke 15 Son Bricklayers Labourer Born Sedgley

1881 32 Ruiton St Sedgley
Benjamin Clark Head Mar 72 General Labourer Born Sedgley
Mary Clark Wife Mar 65 Born Roscommon Ireland

1891 31 Ruiton Street Sedgley
Benjamin Clarke Head M 82 Pauper Born Sedgley [Imbecile]
Mary Clarke Wife M 74 Born Castle Rag Roscommon

Name: Benjamin Clarke
Gender: Male
Age: 82
Birth Date: 1810
Death Date: 10 Jan 1892
Death Place: Sedgley, Stafford, England
FHL Film Number: 1999481


Freereg
Lower Gornal
St James the Great
Parish Register
Register entry number 95
Marriage date 29 Dec 1851
Benjamin CLARK 43 widower Labourer Lower Gornal Benjamin CLARK Butcher
Mary CONNOR 35 spinster Domestic Servant Lower Gornal John CONNOR Labourer
Witness 1 John FELLOWS
Witness 2 Mary FELLOWS
Notes Bride & Witness 2 sign X

Ancestry
Name: Benjamin Clark
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Age: 43
Birth Date: 1808
Marriage Date: 29 Dec 1851
Marriage Place: Church of Lower Gornall, Stafford, England
Father:
Benjamin Southall
Spouse:
Mary Connor
FHL Film Number: 1470603
Reference ID: P 48 No 95

Sedgley
All Saints
Parish Register
Baptism date 29 Nov 1807
Person forename Benjamin
Person sex M
Father forename Benjamin
Mother forename Sarah
Father surname SOUTHALL
Mother surname CLARKE
Person abode Shut End
Notes Base

[Jimmy]

CONNOR, BENJAMIN CLARKE. blank.
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18.

CLARKE, SAMUEL CONNOR CONNOR.
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 314.

CONNER, JOHN blank.
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 297.

CONNER, SARAH CLARK blank.
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 338.

[kdwoodie]

What do I add as Surname and I'm confused about Benjamin

[Northern Lass]

do we still need the marriage
1870
CLARKE John HOMER Hannah
Amblecote, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 015/002/356

[kdwoodie]

For some reason the marriage is on Hannah but not John

[Northern Lass]

So this is the birth we think?
CONNER, JOHN blank.
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 297.

so I would go with Connor ..ie what he is regis as if that is him.
but his father is a Benjamin Clarke who marries a Mary Connor.....so John may or may not be his kid.

but...Benjamin Clarke is actually baptised as Southall I know his mother is a Clarke
but what would his name in register be ...so looks like Benjamin Southall baptised?
but he takes the Clarke name of his mother

Clarke or Southall....
Sedgley
All Saints
Parish Register
Baptism date 29 Nov 1807
Person forename Benjamin
Person sex M
Father forename Benjamin
Mother forename Sarah
Father surname SOUTHALL
Mother surname CLARKE
Person abode Shut End
Notes Base

is that right
so we add john as Connor

and Benjamin as if baptised ....as southall...

[kdwoodie]

looks right but i've lost the plot

[Northern Lass]

So why are there 2 names for Benjamins father

free reg say Benjamin Clarke

but ancestry say Benjamin southall

should I look up the marriage ....I bet it says Southall on that marriage however free reg are normally pretty good...what you think I can add it to list.
Freereg
Lower Gornal
St James the Great
Parish Register
Register entry number 95
Marriage date 29 Dec 1851
Benjamin CLARK 43 widower Labourer Lower Gornal Benjamin CLARK Butcher
Mary CONNOR 35 spinster Domestic Servant Lower Gornal John CONNOR Labourer
Witness 1 John FELLOWS
Witness 2 Mary FELLOWS
Notes Bride & Witness 2 sign X

[kdwoodie]

Can add just to make sure

Wonder if theres a marriage for Benjamin Southall and Sarah Clarke

[Northern Lass]

and who did son marry prev

and where is he in 1841
1851 Lower Gornal
Benjamin Clark Head U 42 Labpurer Born Sedgley
Mary Connor Woman U 38 Labourers Wife Born Roscommon Ireland
Benjamin Connor Son 6 Scholar Born Sedgley
Samuel Connor Son 5 Scholar Born Sedgley
John Connor Son 2 Scholar Born Sedgley
Sarah Connor Daur 2 Mo At Home Born Sedgley

and I am getting nothing done!

[kdwoodie]

I haven't found him on 41 and who was his first wife?

Neither am i, waiting for news on grandaughters birth, doing this to keep me occupied.

[Northern Lass]

??
Name: Benjamin Southall
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 Jul 1783
Birth Place: Quakers-NC,Dudley,Worcester,England
Father:
Richard Southall
Mother:
May
FHL Film Number: 98487

[kdwoodie]

1841 Sedgley
joseph Cartwright 50 Publican Y
Sarah Cartwrfight 50 Y
Sarah Cartwright 20 Y
Benjamin Clark 30 Y
Mary Connor 20 F S N

[Northern Lass]

1841 Sedgley
joseph Cartwright 50 Publican Y
Sarah Cartwrfight 50 Y
Sarah Cartwright 20 Y
Benjamin Clark 30 Y
Mary Connor 20 F S N

that looks like him then he marries mary connor in 1851..but who did he marry prev. I cant find anything

[Northern Lass]

could this be it wit is a cartwright.

Free reg.
St Thomas Dudley
Marriage date 28 Apr 1829
Groom forename Benjamin
Groom surname CLARK
Groom parish Dudley
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname TURLEY
Bride parish Dudley
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 John JUKES
Witness2 Mary TURLEY
Notes Witness (3) John CARTWRIGHT. By Banns-Groom Bride & witnesses signed