Help with Knowles

[kdw]

Hi

I.m researching Knowles and Cox from Cradley.
Caleb Knowles married Sarah Cox on 25 Dec 1861 at St Marys Oldswinford have the marriage cert for that. Calebs parents were John Knowles and Maria Mobberley also have maariage cert, on the cert it says Johns father is John. John Jr. was born about 1821. From looking at census i think John Sr was married to Sarah Can anyone please help me find who John Sr. was married to?

kdw

[kdw]

Hi

Info from Marriage Cert for Caleb Knowles and Sarah Cox
Married 25 Dec 1861 St Marys Oldswinford
Caleb Knowles age 21 Batchelor Nail Maker Living Careless Green Father John Knowles Nail Maker
Sarah Cox age 18 Spinster Living Carless Green Father Edwin Cox Gun Barrel Grinder
Witness William Cox and Harriet Bloomer

The copy of the marriage cert is very faint.

John Knowles and Maria Mobberley
Married 10 Sept 1843 St Marys Oldswinford
John Knowles Bachelor Full age Nailor Living Lye Waste father John Knowles Nailor
Maria Mobberley Full age Nailor living Lye Waste Father William Mobberley Nailor
Witness William Knowles Mary Knowles

kdw

[FarSide]

Poss
1841
Waste Bank, Oldswinford
John Knowles 45 - Nailor
Sarah Knowles 40
John Knowles 20
Caroline Knowles 15
all b in c

same page 1 door away
William Knowles 25 - Nailor
Hannah Knowles 25
William Knowles 4
Jane Knowles 2
Thomas Knowles 20 - Nailor
Phebe Knowles 20
Francis Knowles 2 Mo
all b in c

next door
William Knowles 55 - Nailor
Mary Knowles 55
Mary Knowles 15 (Poss witness)
John Knowles 15
William Knowles 15 (Poss witness)
Charles Dunn 35 - Anvil maker

Extracted
WILLIAM KNOWLES
Christening: 19 APR 1789 Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: JOHN KNOWLES
Mother: JANE

JOHN KNOWLES
Christening: 27 JAN 1793 Old Swinford, Worcester, England
Parents:
Father: JOHN KNOWLES
Mother: JANE

poss other sibs
SARAH KNOWLES
Female Christening: 04 NOV 1787 Old Swinford, Worcester, England

NANCY KNOWLES
Female Christening: 08 NOV 1791 Old Swinford, Worcester, England

JANE KNOWLES
Female Christening: 10 SEP 1797 Old Swinford, Worcester

[Northern Lass]

Hi can anyone add the caleb knowles marriage info and him to bcc please
if they got time?

[kdw]

Hi
Thanks for the info
I think Caroline married William Phillips as in 1851 she is living with John and Sarah with 2 children, but can find no marriage for them.

kdw

[linell]

Hi kdw, I think it is this family:- http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... d=18678835



Oh sorry see you already have this link on Indroductions..........

[peterd]

is this caroline

1881 Waste Bank Wollescote, Worcester,

William PHILLIPS 53 Lye Waste, Worcester, Horse Nail Maker
Caroline PHILLIPS 54 Lye Waste, Worcester, Wrought Nail Maker
Emanuel PHILLIPS 16 Lye Waste, Worcester, Horse Nail Maker
Phoebe PHILLIPS 13 Lye Waste, Worcester,



poss bro a few doors down

1881 Waste Bank Wollescote, Worcester

Emanuel PHILLIPS 48 Lye Waste, Worcester, Horse Nail Maker
Eliza PHILLIPS 47 Lye Waste, Worcester, Wrought Nail Maker
Joseph PHILLIPS 23 Lye Waste, Worcester, Horse Nail Maker
John PHILLIPS 17 Lye Waste, Worcester, Wrought Nail Maker
Elizabeth PHILLIPS 13 Lye Waste, Worcester, Scholar
Albert PHILLIPS 11 Lye Waste, Worcester, Scholar
Samuel PHILLIPS 5 Lye Waste, Worcester,


a few doors up

1881 Waste Bank Wollescote, Worcester

Henry CHAPMAN 40 Lye Waste, Worcester, Chain Maker
Matilda CHAPMAN 39 Lye Waste, Worcester, Wrought Nailer
Samuel CHAPMAN 16 Lye Waste, Worcester, Wrought Nailer
George CHAPMAN 11 Lye Waste, Worcester, Scholar
Willie CHAPMAN 1 Lye Waste, Worcester,
Sarah KNOWLES Mother W 77 Lye Waste, Worcester,

[peterd]

dont think that the caroline

WILLIAM PHILLIPS

Father JOHN PHILLIPS

Spouse: CAROLINE TAYLOR
father richard

Marriage: 12 AUG 1849 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

Husband Age at Marriage: 28
Wife Age at Marriage: 25

[kdw]

Hi peterd

Yes it is caroline in 1881 going back to 1841 Census it certainly looks like William and Enamuel were brothers.
1841 Waste Bank
Charly PHILLIPS 35 Nailor
Sarah PHILLIPS 30
William PHILLIPS 13
Emanuel PHILLIPS 8
Sarah PHILLIPS 4
Elizabeth PHILLIPS 3 Mths

Thanks for the info
kdw

[peterd]

Hi peterd

Yes it is caroline in 1881 going back to 1841 Census it certainly looks like William and Enamuel were brothers.
1841 Waste Bank
Charly PHILLIPS 35 Nailor
Sarah PHILLIPS 30
William PHILLIPS 13
Emanuel PHILLIPS 8
Sarah PHILLIPS 4
Elizabeth PHILLIPS 3 Mths

Thanks for the info
kdw

1881 census looks like caroline a taylor not a knowles ?

[kdw]

Hi

What makes you think she was a Taylor in 1881?

[peterd]

dont think that the caroline

WILLIAM PHILLIPS

Father JOHN PHILLIPS

Spouse: CAROLINE TAYLOR
father richard

Marriage: 12 AUG 1849 Kidderminster, Worcester, England

Husband Age at Marriage: 28
Wife Age at Marriage: 25

here the marriage

and

Marriages Sep 1849

Allen Benjamin Kidderminster 18 421
Barrett Eli Kidderminster 18 421
Chatterton Mary Kidderminster 18 421
Harris William Kidderminster 18 421
Marchant Elizabeth Kidderminster 18 421
Phillips William Kidderminster 18 421
Taylor Caroline Kidderminster 18 421
Winwood Elizabeth Kidderminster 18 421

[peterd]

next door poss bro or son from a first marriage ?

1881 Waste Bank Wollescote, Worcester

David TAYLOR 29 Lye Waste, Worcester, Horse Nail Maker
Selina TAYLOR 29 Lye Waste, Worcester, Wrought Nail Maker
George TAYLOR 7 Lye Waste, Worcester,
William TAYLOR 5 Lye Waste, Worcester,
Thomas TAYLOR 4 Lye Waste, Worcester,
Samuel TAYLOR 2 Lye Waste, Worcester,

[FarSide]

Here's the census
1851
Waste bank, Oldwinsford
John Knowles 57 - Nailor
Sarah Knowles 51 - Nailor
William Phillips 23 - son in law - Nailor
Caroline Phillips 24 - Nailor
Maria Phillips 2 - granddau
Sarah Phillips 11 Mo - granddau
all b Oldwinsford

[kdw]

Hi Can see the 1881 cenus but in 1871 Caroline and William are living next door to John and Sarah.

David Taylor is living with parents George and Hannah in 71