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Two Freereg marriages for same persons but one shows her as Mary Ann Baker and the other as Mary Ann Vanes
Children are all registered as Vanes
Freereg Marriage 11/6/1846 St. John Dudley
Samuel Shakespeare bach. Nailer Evehill father not shown
Mary Anne Vanes sp. Dudley father Septimus Vanes Nailer
Witness :- Martha Shakespeare
Other Witness not Shown
Another record :-
Freereg Marriage 9/6/1846 St. John Dudley
Samuel Shakespeare bach. Nailer Evehill father not shown
Mary Anne Baker sp. Dudley father Septimus Baker Nailer
Witness :- Martha Shakespeare
Other Witness not Shown
"Complete"Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
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"Complete"Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
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Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
That is strange? 
The family are recorded on census as Vanes. I would just make a note of it.
The family are recorded on census as Vanes. I would just make a note of it.
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Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
It is strange.
Is this the Martha who is the witness? Her son Paul seems to be with Samuel and Mary Anne in 1851, along with a Joseph Hadley
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=517475
1841
Piece: 1196
Book: 3
Folio: 24
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Shakespeare 25
Rosanna Shakespeare 6
Paul Shakespear 3
Jno Shakespeare 1
PHILLIPS, PAUL SHAKESPEAR SHAKESPEAR
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 179
and there might be some Hadley connection somewhere because Rosanna is boarding with them
1851
Household Schedule Number: 69
Piece: 2032
Folio: 116
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hadley 51
Mary Hadley 49
Rosanna Shakespear 17
They might link in here somehow https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=517475
with these being the John and Rosannah that Samuel is with in 1841.
Is this the Martha who is the witness? Her son Paul seems to be with Samuel and Mary Anne in 1851, along with a Joseph Hadley
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=517475
1841
Piece: 1196
Book: 3
Folio: 24
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Shakespeare 25
Rosanna Shakespeare 6
Paul Shakespear 3
Jno Shakespeare 1
PHILLIPS, PAUL SHAKESPEAR SHAKESPEAR
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 179
and there might be some Hadley connection somewhere because Rosanna is boarding with them
1851
Household Schedule Number: 69
Piece: 2032
Folio: 116
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hadley 51
Mary Hadley 49
Rosanna Shakespear 17
They might link in here somehow https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=517475
with these being the John and Rosannah that Samuel is with in 1841.
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Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
the marriage is a typo error and should read Vanes there was only one marriage the 9 June one 
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference Add to Summary
VANES Mary A SHAKESPEAR Samuel 1846 Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/001/34
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1846
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference Add to Summary
VANES Mary A SHAKESPEAR Samuel 1846 Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/001/34
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Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
Death,
SHAKESPEARE, ROSANNAH. aged 90.
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 89
SHAKESPEARE, ROSANNAH. aged 90.
GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 89
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Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
Dudley St Andrews.
Marriage date 07 Feb 1853.
Samuel SUMMERS. 20. Netherton. bachelor. Shoveller. Charles SUMMERS. Shoveller.
Rosanna SHAKESPEARE. 18. Netherton. spinster. John PHILIPS. Nailer.
Witness 1 John DOWNES.
Witness 2 Hannah TIMMINS.
Notes Bride's father is deceased.
Marriage date 07 Feb 1853.
Samuel SUMMERS. 20. Netherton. bachelor. Shoveller. Charles SUMMERS. Shoveller.
Rosanna SHAKESPEARE. 18. Netherton. spinster. John PHILIPS. Nailer.
Witness 1 John DOWNES.
Witness 2 Hannah TIMMINS.
Notes Bride's father is deceased.
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Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
Dudley St Thomas.
Birth date 31 Dec 1839.
Baptism date 19 Jan 1840.
John SHAKESPEARE.
Mother Martha SHAKESPEARE.
Person abode Eve Hill.
SHAKESPEARE, JOHN blank.
GRO Reference: 1840 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 256.
Birth date 31 Dec 1839.
Baptism date 19 Jan 1840.
John SHAKESPEARE.
Mother Martha SHAKESPEARE.
Person abode Eve Hill.
SHAKESPEARE, JOHN blank.
GRO Reference: 1840 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 256.
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Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
Kingswinford St Mary.
Marriage date 06 Aug 1821.
John HADLEY. Kingswinford.
Mary VANES. Kingswinford.
Witness 1 William HOBBS.
Witness 2 Thomas WALKER.
Notes Groom, bride and witness 1 sign by mark.
Marriage date 06 Aug 1821.
John HADLEY. Kingswinford.
Mary VANES. Kingswinford.
Witness 1 William HOBBS.
Witness 2 Thomas WALKER.
Notes Groom, bride and witness 1 sign by mark.
Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
John Shakespeare born 1840
appears to marry a Christiana Price
Freereg marriage 23/9/1860 All Saints Sedgley
John Shakespeare 20 Bach. Nailer Shavers End no father details
Christiana Price 28 Sp. Shavers End no father details
Witnesses :- John Bridges & Mary Ann Williams
But :- Christiana is shown as 28 and in subsequent Census details she is born 1840 to 1841
I cannot find John Shakespeare in 1851 or both John and Christiana in 1861 after marriage
This is Christina in 1841
1841 Census Tonshall Lane/Rose Hill
Geo. Price 50 Collier not born in County
Mary Price 50
Elezab 15
Susannah Price 15
Jas. Price 10
Christiana Price 5 mths.
But cannot find her in 1851 as not with family
appears to marry a Christiana Price
Freereg marriage 23/9/1860 All Saints Sedgley
John Shakespeare 20 Bach. Nailer Shavers End no father details
Christiana Price 28 Sp. Shavers End no father details
Witnesses :- John Bridges & Mary Ann Williams
But :- Christiana is shown as 28 and in subsequent Census details she is born 1840 to 1841
I cannot find John Shakespeare in 1851 or both John and Christiana in 1861 after marriage
This is Christina in 1841
1841 Census Tonshall Lane/Rose Hill
Geo. Price 50 Collier not born in County
Mary Price 50
Elezab 15
Susannah Price 15
Jas. Price 10
Christiana Price 5 mths.
But cannot find her in 1851 as not with family
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Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
1851. Snow Hill, Dudley.
Thomas Shakepere 51.
Sarah Shakepere 49.
James Shakepere 20.
John Shakepere 12. nephew. nail maker.
Thomas Shakepere 51.
Sarah Shakepere 49.
James Shakepere 20.
John Shakepere 12. nephew. nail maker.
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Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
Possible. I can't see a marriage for John Shakespeare and an Hannah.
1861. The Barracks, Dudley.
John Shakespere 21. Horse nail maker. Dudley.
Hannah Shakespere 20. Dudley.
House before,
Samuel Shakespere 37. Horse nail maker. Dudley.
Mary Shakespere 35.
John Shakespere 13.
Elizabeth Shakespere 11.
William Shakespere 9.
Edward Shakespere 7.
Samuel Shakespere 5.
Louis Shakespere 3.
Thomas Shakespere 6/12.
1861. The Barracks, Dudley.
John Shakespere 21. Horse nail maker. Dudley.
Hannah Shakespere 20. Dudley.
House before,
Samuel Shakespere 37. Horse nail maker. Dudley.
Mary Shakespere 35.
John Shakespere 13.
Elizabeth Shakespere 11.
William Shakespere 9.
Edward Shakespere 7.
Samuel Shakespere 5.
Louis Shakespere 3.
Thomas Shakespere 6/12.
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Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
PRICE, CHRISTIANA Blank.-
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 258.
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 258.
Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
Jimmy Has :-
1861. The Barracks, Dudley.
John Shakespere 21. Horse nail maker. Dudley.
Hannah Shakespere 20. Dudley.
That must be John Shakespeare and Christiana
1861. The Barracks, Dudley.
John Shakespere 21. Horse nail maker. Dudley.
Hannah Shakespere 20. Dudley.
That must be John Shakespeare and Christiana
Re: Mary Ann Vanes born 1827
All added with notes and some connections made but could not confirm Hadley to Shakespeare connection