Hi

[Devonjeff61]

hi
As I have plenty of time on my hands!

Iam working on my Fathers side Family History.. and have a few basic questions

1) on free BDM I can find a marriage for Mr Great Grandmother - Annie Guyett (ne Shortland) in Brentford Sept 1903. but why cant find one for my Great Grandfather (Jesse Guyett? Sept 1903)
Also I found marriage entry for a Annie Shortland in West Bromich for the same period.. why is this?
I though there would be 2 entries one for my Great Grandfather & one for my Great Grandmother under her maiden name??(in the saem area Brentford) or does it not work like this?

2) My Grandfather left a memories for his early years in Hounslow and mentions that Annie (his mother) had 4/5 sisters ( Eliza & Sarah where two) (my father remembers Sarah)
but I can find only one Birth Entry for Annie in June 1885 in Dudley while both Sarah & Eliza seem to be up younger & are both are born in Brentford.. perhaps they are Cousins? , is it best to get this certificates.

any help would be great.. and would joining a web site help
Jeff

[grangers14]

Yes you should see both names. If your Grandmothers maiden name was Shortland you should search that unless of course she had married before?

What do you know of their children have you checked the GRO for maiden name to make sure it shows Shortland?
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/cert ... /login.asp

Do you when they were born? Perhaps give more info of what you have as fact and we can see if we can help?

It is always best to get certificates if you can not prove things, no point climbing the wrong tree

There was a marriage on freebmd but name Bird?
Marriages Dec 1907
BIRD Annie Brentford 3a 150
GUYATT Jesse Brentford 3a 150

[grangers14]

1911. 32 King Place Cottage, Backlane, Brentford
Jesse Guyett, head, 27, Labourer, Hounslow
Annie, wife, 26, married 4 years, 1 child 1 living, Laundress, Brentford
William, son, 3, Brentford

From GRO
GUYETT, WILLIAM GEORGE SHORTLAND
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 156


Is this your family?

[Devonjeff61]

Hi
thanks for the help

the 1st child was William George (born 1908) & I have his birth certificate. his mother was Annie Guyett (nee Shortland)

Jesse Sidney Guyett born 1883 died in 1921 aged 37 ; Annie was born 22rd Feb 1885 (another Annie Shortland was born in 1887 also in Dudley!) and died in Bristol in 1977 (under the Surname of Millward- 2nd marriage)

does seem strange I cant find her 1st marriage under the maiden name? (could this be just an emission)?; The Surname Bird also came up but it that seems to be a different Shortland also Living in Brentford at the same time

I have found an Eliza Shortland b1874 in Brentford along with several other sisters/Cousins? to Annie?

re - 1911. 32 King Place Cottage, Backlane, Brentford
Jesse Guyett, head, 27, Labourer, Hounslow
Annie, wife, 26, married 4 years, 1 child 1 living, Laundress, Brentford
William, son, 3, Brentford .thanks .. this is correct and they must have moved there from Harringay road East ( which no longer exists) and them moved to at 17 Clarence terrace

one other question - Jesse was working on the Railway or tram line when he was hit by a train/tram and spent over a year in hospital would there be any records of this accident ?

many thanks
Jeff

[BC Wench]

This is what I've found on the same thoughts as Graingers before her post.

Marriage: 27 Oct 1907 Old Brentford in the parish of St Paul, Middlesex
Jesse Guyatt, 24, Bachelor, Carman, 43 Albany Road, George Guyatt, Labourer
Annie Bird, 22, Spinster, Laundress, 43 Albany Road, William Bird, Labourer
Wit: William Webb, Sarah Bird

1911 Census: 32 Kings Place, Back Lanes, Brentford
Jesse Guyett, Head.Mar, 27, Labourer (Tramway), Hounslow, Middx B: 1883
Annie Guyett, Wife, 26, Laundress, Brentford Married: 4yrs 1 Child 1 Living B: 1885
William Guyett, Son, 3, Brentford

Children of Jesse & Annie:

GUYETT, WILLIAM GEORGE - Mother's Maiden Name: SHORTLAND (n.b. should this read BIRD?)
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 156

Baptism: 1 Mar 1908 St Paul, Brentford
William George (Born 16 Jan 1908) - Parents: Jesse & Annie Guyett - 8 Starnage? Road - Labourer

GUYETT, JESSE SIDNEY - Mother's Maiden Name: BIRD
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 320

Baptism: 11 Aug 1911 St Paul, Brentford
Jesse Sidney (Born 30 July 1911) - Jesse & Annie Guyett - 32 Kings Place - Labourer

Burial: 15 July 1912 Ealing & Old Brentford Cemetery
Jesse Sidney Guyett - 11mths - Grave 10/d - Section: Ground Division B

GUYETT, ANNIE ELLEN - Mother's Maiden Name: BIRD
GRO Reference: 1919 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 116

Then going back with Annie and her parents

1901 Census: 43 Albany Road, Old Brentford, Middlesex
William Bird, Head.Mar, 46, Bricklayer's Labourer
Ann Bird, Wife, 48, Lampton
Eliza Bird, Dau.S, 21, Laundress 1880
Sarah Bird, Dau.S, 18, Laundress 1883
Annie Bird, Dau.S, 16, Laundress 1885
William Bird, Son, 3 1898
(Others born Brentford)

1891 Census: 2 Chitty Cottage, Brentford, Middx
William Bird, Head.Mar, 34, Labourer
Ann Bird, Wife, 36, Lampton
Mary Bird, Dau, 16, Garden Worker 1875
Eliza Bird, Dau, 12
Sarah Bird, Dau, 9
Annie Bird, Dau, 6
(Others born Brentford)

1881 Census: 27 Back Lane, Brentford
William Bird, Head.Mar, 25, Labourer
Annie Bird, Wife, 26, Lampton
Mary Ann Bird, Dau, 5, Scholar
Eliza Bird, Dau, 1
Sarah Bird, Sister.UM, 21, Visitor (visitor crossed through)
(Others born Brentford)

Marriage: 9 June 1878 Old Brentford in the parish of St Paul, Middlesex
William Bird, 22, B, Labourer, Back Lane Brentford, Benjamin Bird, Labourer
Ann Shortland, 25, S, Back Lane Brentford, Charles Shortland, Labourer
Wit: James Gomm, Caroline Bird

Children of William & Annie:

SHORTLAND, MARY ANN - No Mother's Maiden Name (Illegitimate)
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 59

BIRD, ELIZA JANE SHORTLAND
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 74

BIRD, SARAH SHORTLAND
GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 75

BIRD, ANNIE SHORTLAND
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 78

You mentioned the names of Annie's sisters, Eliza & Sarah.

[Devonjeff61]

Hi
that birth cert I have of my Grandfather looks like a minefield ( and yes it should be Bird not Shortland) but why???

I will check the rest later,, but Annie Ellen was my Grandfathers Sister and the 1901 census looks right ...with the sisters

many thanks
Jeff

READING DOWN,.. it may have been they gave by mistake the name Shortland .(.Annie's Mothers maiden Name).. rather than her own maiden name ..Bird
makes sense now

[BC Wench]

Who was the informant on the birth certificate for William George? I'm just wondering on how the questions were asked by the Registrar on the Mother's maiden name.

[BC Wench]

The marriage you found for Annie Shortland in 1903 West Bromwich Reg. Dist. she married Jabez Fellows

Marriage: 26 Sep 1903 All Saints, Moxley, Staffs (FreeREG)
Jabez Fellows, 21, B, Boiler Maker, Moxley, Daniel Fellows, Boiler Maker
Annie Shortland, 20, S, Moxley, James Shortland, Labourer
Wit: Benjamin Firm, Sarah Firm

so you can discount that one.

[Devonjeff61]

thanks

[Devonjeff61]

hi
Stumped again , Eliza Bird 21 (Brentford, sister of Annie) in the 1901 census goes missing and is not in the 1911 census under that name
can not find a death, but 2 marriages in 1904 for Eliza Jane Bird from Brentford.. both seem incorrect??? my grandfather say she was living in Chiswick (with a doctor?)

I did find another something strange Annie Bird became Annie Guyett on her 1st marriage , when she remarried Fred Millward.. he's 1st Wife was Harriet Guyett (not a close relation that I can find)
I will now take nothing for granted and may be related to all the Guyett's in this Country!

[grangers14]

??

Free BMD
Marriages Jun 1904
Bird Eliza Brentford 3a 176
Hancey William Brentford 3a 176

[grangers14]

??

1911. 96 Devonshire Road, Chiswick.
William Hancey, head, 32, General Labourer,
Eliza ? 30, Married, 8 years, 3 children all living, Brentford
William, son, 5,
Doris, daur, 3,
Florence, daur, 1,
All others born Chiswick

HANCEY, WILLIAM BIRD
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 175

HANCEY, ANNIE DORIS BIRD
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 180

HANCEY, FLORENCE BIRD
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 172

[grangers14]

I wonder if there is some transcription problem...?
I can not see that marriage that is on freebmd on any parish records unless of course it is registry office?

You would need to buy that to confirm... could check 1939...

[grangers14]

1939. 21 Devonshire Road, Chiswick, Brentford and Chiswick
William S Hancey, 28th June 1878, Stoker Mwb heavy worker
Eliza J, 30th May 1879, Unpaid domestic,
Florence Mary, 27th October 1909, Shop Assistant, Wool

[grangers14]

Could this be William's birth?

HANCEY, WILLIAM SAMUEL FROUD
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 98