Hi Jo, Thanks for adding Amos BARKER to the BCC website, son of William BARKER and Sarah Ann BAKER. I believe this is the same Amos BARKER that you have on BCC as born 1869 who married Livinia Stout. I'll email the birth certificate and the Marriage certificate I have for him, if you compare the details with those for the marriage certificate for James BARKER that I sent today you will see similarities in their occupation and father which make me think they are brothers. The father on the marriage certificate is a William BARKER, postman. thanks Jayne Birth certificate Amos Barker born 19 May 1868 Hurst near Woodside, Dudley, father William Barker, Blacksmith (journeyman), mother Sarah Ann Barker formerly Baker Marriage certificate Amos Barker 22 Bachelor, Miller, residing at Brockmore, father William Barker, Postman. Lavinia Tressy Stout, 19, Spinster, residing at Brockmore, father Benjamine Stout, Labourer. Witness John and Sarah King
thank you for linking them. Some more info could be added before you archive this thread. The two sons of Amos BARKER bn 1868 are already in the BCC tree but birth dates 1 year out, here’s additional info (strangely both registered as Amos but the first son used the name Jesse) GRO birth references 1) BARKER, AMOS JESSE GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 200, Mother STOUT 2) BARKER, AMOS GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 648, Mother STOUT
1911 census: 37 John St, Round Oak, Kingswinford Minnie Walters, wife, 42, M, secondhand wardrobe dealer, own act Jessie Barker S, 20, S, Labourer on sewage work Amos Barker, S, 14, S, Labourer on sewage work Freda Walters, D, 6, S Charlie Walters, S, 4 Ellen Cairns, Servant, 52, Widow All born Brierley Hill, Staffs it says
Note mother Lavinia Stout, often goes by the name Minnie and marries 3 times first to Amos Barker (d 1897), then Walter Walters (married 1900 Stourbridge Vol 6c Page 165), then to Albert Wagg (divorced 5 Dec 1935, but can’t find marriage). Mother Minnie Lavinia and the 3 children Jessie, Freda and Charlie move to Michigan USA in 1911 as shown on 1920 United Sates Federal Census: Living at Bellevue Ave, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan USA Albert Wagg, Head, 39, Married, bn England, Electrician Automobile Shop Minnie Wagg, Wife, 48, M, England Freda , Daughter, 14, S, England Charles, 12, S, England Jesse Barker, 27, step son, M, bn England, Married, Labourer Automobile Shop Mary Barker, 27, wife, M, bn Canada All immigration year 1911 except Mary 1919
Marriage certificate details on Ancestry for Jesse in Detriot Michigan 16 Aug 1919 Jessie Barker, 27, bn England, Elect, father Amos Barker, mother Minnie Stout, married Mary Groluan, bn Ohio, father Morris Groluan, mother Mary Pillrath
Unsure when Amos bn 1896 emigrated from England but found Marriage certificate details on Ancestry for Amos in Essex, Ontario Canada 15 Nov 1913: Amos Barker, aged 19, bn England, father Amos Barker, mother Minnie Lavinia Stout Barker, married Sarah Chatten, father Jessie H Chatten and Jane Pautney Chatten from England
thanks Jayne BTW I have a distant DNA match cM17 (perhaps 3rd cousin 2x removed) living in Michigan USA; from our trees the common ancestor is William Barker and they are descended from Amos bn 1868 and Jessie bn 1891, though their overall DNA estimate for England and Wales is very low at 5%
Thanks very much for adding the information, including the Walters. Please could the 1911 census information in the thread be added to Lavinia's children please Jessie, Amos, Freda and Charlie on BCC. Also the 1920 USA census info could be added to Jessie, Freda and Charlie. And the marriage info for Jessie and Amos could be added in their information box. All that would help our distant American cousins to track them down.
GRO References for the Walters children could be added: WALTERS, FREDA ELIZABETH 1905 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 218, mother STOUT WALTERS, CHARLES 1907 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 202, mother STOUT
Can't find a Walter Walters born around 1870 on GRO in the Dudley / Stourbridge RD, but the census info you added could be his family. Perhaps he was registered as Albert and then changed his name to Albert Wagg in America (husband of Minnie Lavinia) but that's just a guess to follow if we feel inclined.
Re the US Census info - I forgot to add the youngest children (Jesse jr and Albert Barker) to the details, one of which was born in England On further investigation It looks like the father of Jessie Jr who is Jessie Barker bn 1891 first married Florence Gertrude Wagg in Staffordshire before they emigrated to US and Florence, who I think died in Detroit in 1916. Here is the full list of the family on the 1920 census, also Jessie's marriage index to Florence and the GRO reference for Jessie JR which contrary to the 1920 us census indicates that Jessie bn 1891 might have emigrated after 1911:
Mother Minnie Lavinia and the 3 children Jessie, Freda and Charlie move to Michigan USA in 1911 as shown on 1920 United Sates Federal Census: Living at Bellevue Ave, Detroit, Wayne, Michigan USA Albert Wagg, Head, 39, Married, bn England, Electrician Automobile Shop Minnie Wagg, Wife, 48, M, England Freda , Daughter, 14, S, England Charles, 12, S, England Jesse Barker, 27, step son, M, bn England, Married, Labourer Automobile Shop Mary Barker, 27, wife, M, bn Canada All immigration year 1911 except Mary 1919 Jesse jr, Son, 8, bn England Albert, Son, 6, bn Michingan
GRO Reference for Jessie Jr BARKER, JESSE GEORGE ALBERT 1912 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 405, mother WAGG
England and Wales Marriage index Jesse Barker 1911 2 Qtr Stourbridge RD vol 6c P235 married either a Florence G Wagg or Alice M Waterfield
Ah yes some of the family, including Jessie Jn, emigrated in 1912 (not 1911). I've found them on the SS Laconia sailing from Liverpool 16 April 1912 on their way to Mich Detroit as: Walters Lavina, 40, father Benjamin Stout, Parker steet, Brierley Hill Walters Frieda, 7 Walters Charles, 4 Barker Florence G, 21, father George Wagg Dudley road, Brierley Hill Barker Jesse, 2 months infant All were resident at Brierley Hill
Perhaps I should start a new thread later for the Waggs in the BC
If more needs to be added to Bcc please specify exactly what and I can sticky this and if anyone has time they can add it to Bcc if not and nothing else needs help with I will archive.
Hi, being new to the BCC tree, I'm sure how the 'About' sections are meant to work. For instance if the census information is already recorded for their parents on BCC, then is the system to leave these census details off the children's page? Once I understand the system then I'll be able to let you know what else needs adding. thanks Jayne
Jayneh wrote:Hi, being new to the BCC tree, I'm sure how the 'About' sections are meant to work. For instance if the census information is already recorded for their parents on BCC, then is the system to leave these census details off the children's page? Once I understand the system then I'll be able to let you know what else needs adding. thanks Jayne
If someone has the time to add to Bcc then it can be added. so it is a time thing really. If no one can add and there is no more help needed ie no query...then the post will be archived.
The census info goes onto the head of the household so it is not repeated on the kids notes.
Basically the forum is a separate website that we work out of so if you have a query we can help you with it. If someone has time to add to the tree that info then it can go on. but the forum and this section is for you to post your query so we can help you.
Hi, thanks for explaining that makes sense, and sorry I was being over enthusiastic and a little bit confused about the aim of the forum. I was thinking the main aim of the forum was to add more people onto the BCC tree with supporting information. I've no queries on this thread, so it can be archived.
If there was time to add supporting evidence for 2 of Livinia Stouts children already on BCC here it is GRO References: WALTERS, FREDA ELIZABETH 1905 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 218, mother STOUT WALTERS, CHARLES 1907 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 202, mother STOUT
