*ARchived * -Edward WILLETTS of High St Blackheath

[mallosa]

Wow! Nice one Jimmy

[peterd]

It looks a dead cert to me.

lets hope that doesn't come back to haunt you

[mallosa]

Right! Where were we?

Sorry about that Suki

[Northern Lass]

Has that helped at all Jenni?

I am flagging this for archiving so unless otherwise advised this will be moved to archived section within 24 hrs
it can always be brought back to the section for more discussion should new info emerge

[Jennik]

Has it helped? Yes, and no. I have a feeling I've heard the one about the horse bolting, but a very long time ago.
I am also bothered by the bit about John Troman marrying Ann Gadd---daughter Hannah's birth Cert says her mother was Jane Gadd and I've already had a lot of discussion over this one as in the various censuses his wife is listed as Mary Jane in 1861 and 1871, then Jane in 1881 and 1891. In 1851 I can't find any of the clan. I had a theory that John married 3 times, but this has since been scotched by a distant cousin who turned up the gravestone for John and his 'beloved wife Mary Jane' and a Christening for Thomas & Phoebe Gadd's daughter, also Mary Jane.
I was fascinated by the photo Suki directed me to of Hannah Willetts (perhaps). I can see a resemblance to several family members even in such a poor reproduction. But having studied period costume for years, I would estimate the date of the photo around 1867, at the period where the crinoline (think Gone wth the Wind) was transforming into the bustle dress of the 1880's. Hannah would have been a new bride or young mum in her early 20's at that date, and all of my family think this woman is older. Also the cap is more likely to be worn by a mature woman than a young one. Which brings in the other theory that the lady is Hannah's mother-in-law, Sarah Parkes/Willetts/Troman. I've since been sent another photo endorsed "Grandmother Troman", which would appear to be the same woman, a bit older and greyer. by another descendent of Sarah Parkes and Edward Willetts the miner.
I too have been wondering if it's worth getting the death certificate for Edward Willetts the confectioner, if only to resolve the query, but it probably won't give the details of his accident, if there was one. Apparently he made his mark when he made out his will, presumably because he was unable to write his name at the time, something he was well able to do when he got married. It also stikes me there would be a coronial inquest if he had been killed as a result of an accident. Are coroner's reports available to view anywhere? A lot of what I'm looking at on Ancestry.com.au seems to go round in circles through parish registers of the 1700's and I'm getting nowhere searching through it all for something in the 20th century.
Thanks to everyone for the interesting advice (and the funnies)
Regards
Jenni

[peterd]

Has it helped? Yes, and no. I have a feeling I've heard the one about the horse bolting, but a very long time ago.
I am also bothered by the bit about John Troman marrying Ann Gadd---daughter Hannah's birth Cert says her mother was Jane Gadd and I've already had a lot of discussion over this one as in the various censuses his wife is listed as Mary Jane in 1861 and 1871, then Jane in 1881 and 1891. In 1851 I can't find any of the clan. I had a theory that John married 3 times, but this has since been scotched by a distant cousin who turned up the gravestone for John and his 'beloved wife Mary Jane' and a Christening for Thomas & Phoebe Gadd's daughter, also Mary Jane.I was fascinated by the photo Suki directed me to of Hannah Willetts (perhaps). I can see a resemblance to several family members even in such a poor reproduction. But having studied period costume for years, I would estimate the date of the photo around 1867, at the period where the crinoline (think Gone wth the Wind) was transforming into the bustle dress of the 1880's. Hannah would have been a new bride or young mum in her early 20's at that date, and all of my family think this woman is older. Also the cap is more likely to be worn by a mature woman than a young one. Which brings in the other theory that the lady is Hannah's mother-in-law, Sarah Parkes/Willetts/Troman. I've since been sent another photo endorsed "Grandmother Troman", which would appear to be the same woman, a bit older and greyer. by another descendent of Sarah Parkes and Edward Willetts the miner.
I too have been wondering if it's worth getting the death certificate for Edward Willetts the confectioner, if only to resolve the query, but it probably won't give the details of his accident, if there was one. Apparently he made his mark when he made out his will, presumably because he was unable to write his name at the time, something he was well able to do when he got married. It also stikes me there would be a coronial inquest if he had been killed as a result of an accident. Are coroner's reports available to view anywhere? A lot of what I'm looking at on Ancestry.com.au seems to go round in circles through parish registers of the 1700's and I'm getting nowhere searching through it all for something in the 20th century.
Thanks to everyone for the interesting advice (and the funnies)
Regards
Jenni

on bcc we have mary jane as hannah mother plus these notes

Mumbles added:- Mary Jane Gadd baptised Rowley 28/1/1827 daughter of Thomas & Phoebe Gadd Perrys Lake,Nailer. Mary Jane was married as Jane and was Jane on 1841 Census


http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =637154842

[suki]

Sorry gave out some miss information.
On Hannah Tromans 1847's birth certificate her mother is named as Jane Gadd of Plants Green. Father John Tromans a Gas Tube Fitter. date of birth 27th July 1847. John and Jane were married at Clent Church 11/6/46. John occ a Pipe fitter father James a pipe fitter. Jane's father Thomas a nailer. I have sent for a death certificate for Edward 1846 Will let you know. I now wonder whether the photo Hannah Tromans may well be my grandfather grandmother Sarah nee Parkes and not his mother Hannah Tromans.
Sarah Parkes( Willetts Troman) had a child Betsy when she was more than 40yrs. May be the photo was taken around the time of her second marriage.

[suki]

Ghosh! have you got details of his will.

[dumblonde]

Hi everyone,
Watching this thread with great interest as I am Suki's cousin and we share the same gt grandfather as Jenni. How fantastic to find a new relative, can you enlighten me to your line Jenni?

[Northern Lass]

Flagging to archive this now

it can always be brought back for further discussion

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[Jennik]

Edward & Hannah Willetts were my gt grandparents. I'm descended throught their daughter Lily, m Albert PRIEST, and their daughter Constance Olive PRIEST m Samuel William SMITH.
I agree with the assessment that the old photo is that of Sarah PARKES aound the time of her 2nd marriage to Daniel TRUEMAN/TROWMANS.
I've only seen an extract of Edward WILLETTS' will but I expect it's in the public domain somewhere. I'm too new to that side of genealogy to know where to check some of these things out, and also so far away, in Western Australia, that I don't have access to records offices, parish registers etc. unless they are on-line. Being unable to find John and Jane TROMAN on the 1851 census, with daughters Ann, Hannah an Elizabeth, is a case in point; I had a similar problem with some ancestors on my father's side, who were discovered by someone with a CD of the appropriate census records for 1841. When she told me where they were living, I checked on Ancestry.com.au, and found them, but the name had been transcribed so completely differently from what was actually written on the census documents that I would never have found it without the comparison being made. I have a feeling that something similar has happened with the Tromans in 1851.
I have also considered sending for Edward WILLETTS' death cert, but then thought that it would likely show the cause of death, perhaps with a run-down of injuries if there was indeed an accident, but it wouldn't give any details about the accident itself, hence the query about whether a newspaper or coroner's report is available somewhere.
Thanks to everyone for the help and advice
Regards
Jenni

[Northern Lass]

The Will maybe at the archives at Sandwell and the newspapers too
you would need to contact them and ask the procedure of them looking for you
Blackheath Sandwell/Smethwick archives covers

[Northern Lass]

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