Am trying to map out a Powell surname which was associated with North London, Hampstead. It's a bit of a 'Poirot' because my paternal grandmother was a maiden Powell of Hampstead (or Dalston) yet moved to Bromley in Kent, and I wondered why Kent? I'm wondering if there was a family connection with Kent from previous generations. The trouble is, I am coasting towards the 1837 watershed, beyond which tracing surnames becomes more difficult.
Several ladies from this line were associated with the laundry trade, and several of the men-folk were associated with horses, ostlers and cab drivers for example, so I think there's some form of family tradition going on here - but it's vague, and I could be wrong.
The earliest I have is a Thomas Powell ['ostler'] b.1791, d.abt 1845 and his spouse Charlotte b.1801, d.abt 1871 who may have had the maiden name of (?) Marles.
On an 1851 Census: HO107, Piece 1492, Folio 114, Page 15, a Charlotte Powell (Head, widow) is listed as "washerwoman", so the laundry and horse ['ostler'] association is also there. Charlotte's age is 50 on the census so that ties in with her birth year. Thomas and Charlotte would be my paternal great gt gt grandparents.
Have uploaded a very tentative Powell family tree for this era, any help greatly appreciated!
Thanks
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Your Grandmother from GRO: INNELL, LOUISA MARY Mother's Maiden Name: POWELL GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 354
Your Gt Grandmother from GRO: POWELL, LOUISA MARY - No Mother's Surname (dau of Louisa Powell b 1841) GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 484
Your Gt Grandparents: Marriage: 25 March 1883 Christ Church, Hampstead, Middlesex John Innell, 23, Bachelor, Barman, Hampstead, John Innell, Waiter Louisa Mary Powell, 23, Spinster, Hampstead, George Hunt, Soldier Wit: Charles Innell, Emily Clouser?
Your 2x Gt Grandmother from GRO: POWELL, LOUISA Mother's Maiden Name: WILLOUGHBY GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03 Page 107
Baptism: 10 January 1841 St John, Hampstead, Middlesex (Louisa Mary's Mother) Louisa - Thomas & Charlotte Powell - Hampstead - Ostler
Parents of Louisa born 1841 Name: Charlotte Willoughby Spouse: Thos Powell Spouse Comments: 61 Marriage Date: 1820 Parish: Hampstead
1841: Flask Walk, St John Hampstead, Edmonton, Middlesex & London, England Thomas Powell, 43, Labourer, Not born in County 1798 Charlotte Powell, 38 1803 Elizabeth Powell, 19 1822 Sarah Powell, 17 1824 Henry Powell, 15 1826 Ann Powell, 12 1829 Mary Powell, 10 1831 Charlotte Powell, 7 1834 Emma Powell, 4 1837 Louisa Powell, 6mths 1841 (Others born in County)
1851: Flask Walk, St John Hampstead, Hampstead, London & Middlesex, England Charlotte Powell, Head.Widow, 50, Washerwoman, Hampstead 1801 Henry Powell, Son.Unmarried, 22, Labourer, Hampstead 1829 Charlotte Powell, Daughter.Unmarried, 16, Servant, Hampstead 1835 Emma Powell, Daughter.Unmarried, 14, Hounslow, Middlesex 1837 Louisa Powell, Dau, 10, Hampstead, Middlesex 1841 Eliza Powell, Dau, 6, Hampstead, Middlesex 1845
1861: New End, Hampstead, Middlesex Charlotte Powell, Head.Widow, 62, Washerwoman, Hampstead Eliza Powell, Dau, 16, Washerwoman, Hampstead Ann Wilson, Lodger.UM, 49, Milliner & Dressmaker, St Albans, Herts
Sister of your 2x Gt Grandmother: Marriage: 9 July 1865 St Pancras Church, St Pancras, Middlesex Samuel Burton, Full, Bachelor, Labourer, Haverstock Place, Henry Burton, Dead Eliza Powell, Full, Spinster, Haverstock Place, Thomas Powell, Dead Wit: Joseph Faulkner, Lucina Iliffe?
1871: 3 Beerhouse Lane, St John, Hampstead Samuel Burton, Head.Mar, 30, Labourer in Ground Work, Hampstead Eliza Burton, Wife, 26, Hampstead Thomas H Burton, Son, 7, Scholar, Hampstead Eliza Burton, Dau, 5, Scholar, Hampstead Samuel Burton, Son, 3, Hampstead Henry Burton, Son, 6mths, Hampstead Charlotte Powell, Mother in law.Wid, 70, Formerly Laundress, Hampstead
Wife of Thomas Powell: Baptism: 21 November 1817 St John, Hampstead, Middlesex Charlotte (Born 3 Apr 1803) - William & Elizabeth Willoughby - Hampstead - Shoemaker
1841: Flask Walk, St John Hampstead, Edmonton, Middlesex & London, England, Thomas Powell, 43, Labourer, Not born in County 1798
Many thanks!
When it says "Not born in County" does this mean the county of London please, & if so, where did the county extend to in 1841, so that I could search neighbouring counties for Thomas Powell's birth details?
Can only gain a vague idea of the districts of London circa 1841 but the 'Metropolis of London' had the tiny City of London at its core and took in all the immediate districts around it. So it looks like Lambeth / Camberwell (part of Surrey in those days?) would fall 'out of county'?
I found several FMP references to a Thomas POWELL. But these are only census returns of course:-
Powell Thomas b.1796, from the 1841 Census, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England.
Powell Thomas b.1792, from the 1851 Census, Saint Giles Camberwell, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England.
Powell Thomas b.1794, from the 1851 Census, Saint Mary Newington, Newington, London & Surrey, England.
Powell Thomas b.1791, from the 1871 Census, St Mary Newington, St Saviour Southwark, London & Surrey, England.
Your Gt Grandmother from GRO: (She is the illegitimate daughter of Louisa Powell born 1841) POWELL, LOUISA MARY - No Mother's Surname GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 484
In the 1861 Census Louisa Mary (1859) and her mother Louisa Powell (1841) are living with Louisa's married sister Mary Elizabeth Toomes nee Powell
1861 Census: Stables in Rear of the Duke of Hamilton, Hampstead, Middlesex John Toomes, Head.Mar, 39, Horsekeeper, St Georges in the (?), Middlesex Mary Elizabeth Toomes, Wife, 26, Laundress, Southall, Middlesex 1835 Louisa Powell, Sister in Law.UM, 19, Laundress, Hampstead, Middlesex 1842 Louisa Mary Powell, Niece, 1, Hampstead, Middlesex 1860
Marriage: 26 November 1862 St Pancras Church, St Pancras, Middlesex John Edward Toomes, Full, Bachelor, Coachman, Park St., Father: John Edward Toomes, Dead Mary Elizabeth Powell, Full, Spinster, Park St., Father: Thomas Powell, Dead Wit: Robert Stone, M Bucter...ge (Unable to decipher surname)
Louisa Powell (1841) then marries George Benwell
Marriage: 8 April 1861 St Pancras Church, St Pancras, Middlesex George Benwell, Full, Bachelor, Labourer, James St, Father: John Benwell, Dead Louisa Powell, Full, Spinster, James St, Father: Thomas Powell, Dead Wit: John Edward Toomes X (his mark), Mary Elizabeth Toomes
In the 1871 Census Louisa Mary (1860) is living with her Aunt Mary E Toomes nee Powell & Uncle John Innell
1871 Census: Stables at back of Duke of Hamilton, Hampstead St John, London John E Toomes, Head.Mar, 53, Coachman, Whitechapel, Middx Mary E Toomes, Wife, 38, Laundress, Southall, Middx Louisa M Toomes, Niece, 11, Scholar, Hampstead (Illegitimate dau of Louisa Mary Powell) 1860
Louisa Mary Powell (1860) then goes on to marry John Innell and gives her father as George Hunt
Marriage: 25 March 1883 Christ Church, Hampstead, Middlesex John Innell, 23, Bachelor, Barman, Hampstead, Father: John Innell, Waiter Louisa Mary Powell, 23, Spinster, Hampstead, Father: George Hunt, Soldier 1860 Wit: Charles Innell, Emily Clouser?
This clears up the complicated surnames of my paternal grandmother. Again, I'm seeing this pattern of laundry work & work with horses.
Louisa Mary (nee Powell / dau of George Hunt + Louisa Powell) moved to Kent, I wonder if censuses will throw any light on the reason why - that's quite a relocation from Hampstead, North London? Her father was a soldier & she married one, possibly the reason for the change of location, I think he was a 'man of Kent' - ?
Man of Kent - born East of the Medway Kentish Man - born West of the Medway I'm only 'ish being born near Dartford in NW Kent.
It might be worth checking to see if your paternal grandfather's employer moved to Bromley as that might explain your grandmother's move. I know there's quite a bit of antipathy between those who are born on different sides of the Thames but it isn't that far to move, either for employment or because a spouse (or future spouse) lives on the 'wrong' side of the river.
SRD wrote:Man of Kent - born East of the Medway Kentish Man - born West of the Medway I'm only 'ish being born near Dartford in NW Kent.
It might be worth checking to see if your paternal grandfather's employer moved to Bromley as that might explain your grandmother's move. I know there's quite a bit of antipathy between those who are born on different sides of the Thames but it isn't that far to move, either for employment or because a spouse (or future spouse) lives on the 'wrong' side of the river.
Many thanks SRD,
My father was born just before 1920 in Kent so I guess I should start looking at the census returns here, they might give some clue as to what was happening in terms of occupations?
The Old Kent Road was something of a highway to Kent from London, reminding me of the 'holiday hop-picking' that Londoners used to engage in?
The 1939 Register might give your father's and grand-parents place of abode, date of birth & occupation although, being 19, he may already have joined up by then. If he lived in what is now the Greater London area he may also appear in the electoral roll/voters lists for the post war era.
INNELL, LOUISA MARY POWELL GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 354
Baptism: 25 November 1883 Christ Church, Hampstead Louisa Mary - John & Louisa Mary Innell - Balls Pond - Waiter
1891 Census: 6 Bishops Grove, Highbury, Islington, London (Imell on image) John Imell, Head.Mar, 30, Post Man GPO, City Rd, London Louisa Imell, Wife, 30, Hampstead Ethel Imell, Dau, 9, Scholar, Hampstead Louisa Imell, Dau, 6, Scholar, Islington John Imell, Son, 1, Dalston Alice Imell, Dau, 7wks, Dalston
1901 Census: Gardnor Road, Hampstead, London John Innell, Head.Mar, 40, General Labourer, London Louisa Innell, Wife, 42, Hampstead John Innell, Son, 12, Dalston Alice Innell, Dau, 10, Dalston Winnifred Innell, Dau, 2, Hampstead
WHERE IS LOUISA MARY (1883) IN 1901 CENSUS???? Sorry, but I can't find her.
1911 Census: 33 Park Dwellings, Hampstead, London N.W. John Innell, Head.Mar, 50, Cleaner at Town Hall/Boro' Council, City Rd., London Louisa Mary Innell, Wife, 51, Hampstead, London Married: 30yrs 6 Children 5 Living 1 Died John Edward Innell, Son.Single, 22, Engine Cleaner/Gt Northern Railway, Dalston, London Louisa Mary Innell Kemp, Dau.Married, 27, Islington, London Married: Under one year (the surname INNELL is crossed through) Winifred Sarah Innell, Dau, 12, Hampstead
Marriage: Mar Qtr 1911 Bromley Reg. Dist. 2a 713 Louisa INNELL & Arthur KEMP
1911 Census: 35 Bromley Gardens, Bromley, Kent Arthur Kemp, Head.Married, 41, Carpet planner, Hammersmith Louisa Mary Kemp, Wife, 28, Dalston Married: One yr No Children George Thomas Kemp, Son.Single, 15, Errand Boy (Drapery), Beckenham Katheline Goldsmith, Border.Wid, 59, Dress Maker, Tonbridge Wells
1939 National Register: 50 Plaistow Lane, Bromley, Kent Arthur Kemp, 14 April 1867, Married, Upholsters Fixer? Louisa Mary Kemp, 22 Sept 1883, Married, Unpaid Domestic Duties Reginald Kemp, 28 Dec 1917, Single, Electrician & Meter Tester Jack A Kemp, 16 Feb 1912, Single, Technical Assistant to Chartered Patent Agent? Sylvia P Mockridge, 17 Nov 1911, Married, Unpaid Domestic Duties 1 record closed
John Innell dies then Louisa Mary (1860) marries John Pensotti Dec Qtr 1915 Wandsworth Reg. Dist.
1939 Register: 11 Kersley Street, Battersea, London John Pensotti, 6 Dec 1860, Widow, Retired Ethel Innell, 3 July 1881, Single, Domestic Help (she is the step daughter of John Pensotti)
Ethel (Adelaide) Innell is the daughter of Louisa Mary (1860) & John Innell.
Was the George HUNT a witness please?