were running with these family on two different topics wonder if they link came across this
1881 Hill St Hasbury, Worc
Joseph GUEST 20 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Amelia GUEST 23 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Eliza PORTMAN Step Daur 6 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Albert E. PORTMAN Step Son M 3 Halesowen, Worcester, Scholar
Esther GUEST Daur 3 m Halesowen, Worcester,
6 door down
1881 Hill St Hasbury, Worcester
William PORTMAN 20 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
Eliza PORTMAN 20 Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer
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Re: portman / guest
1891
7 Anson Street, Barrow in Furness
Joseph Guest 31 - General labourer
Amelia Guest 33
Albert P Guest 13 - Millhand (Factory)
Ethel Guest 10
Catherine Guest 9
Sarah Guest 2 - Lancashire - Barrow
Joseph Guest 1 - Lancashire - Barrow
others b Halesowen
1901
8 McClintock Street, Barrow in Furness
Joseph Guest 42 - Steel/works labourer - b Halesowen
Amelia Guest 46 - b Halesowen
Ethel Guest 20 - b Halesowen
Catherine Guest 18 - Jute weaver- b Halesowen
Sarah Guest 12
Joseph Guest 11
Thomas Guest 10
Alfred Guest 5
Frank Guest 3
Isabelle Guest 1
others b Barrow
Not sure about this marriage, if the step-kids are Portman
1880
GUEST Joseph BAYLIS Amelia Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/1/410
7 Anson Street, Barrow in Furness
Joseph Guest 31 - General labourer
Amelia Guest 33
Albert P Guest 13 - Millhand (Factory)
Ethel Guest 10
Catherine Guest 9
Sarah Guest 2 - Lancashire - Barrow
Joseph Guest 1 - Lancashire - Barrow
others b Halesowen
1901
8 McClintock Street, Barrow in Furness
Joseph Guest 42 - Steel/works labourer - b Halesowen
Amelia Guest 46 - b Halesowen
Ethel Guest 20 - b Halesowen
Catherine Guest 18 - Jute weaver- b Halesowen
Sarah Guest 12
Joseph Guest 11
Thomas Guest 10
Alfred Guest 5
Frank Guest 3
Isabelle Guest 1
others b Barrow
Not sure about this marriage, if the step-kids are Portman
1880
GUEST Joseph BAYLIS Amelia Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/1/410
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Re: portman / guest
From,
http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealog ... 0Heath.htm
21 Mar 1880,
Joseph Guest, 20, B, Nailer, Halesowen, Thomas Guest, Nailer.
Amelia Baylis, 23, S, Halesowen, Thomas Baylis, Horse Nailer.
Witnesses. Edward Hawkeswood, and Mary Price.
http://uk-transcriptions.accessgenealog ... 0Heath.htm
21 Mar 1880,
Joseph Guest, 20, B, Nailer, Halesowen, Thomas Guest, Nailer.
Amelia Baylis, 23, S, Halesowen, Thomas Baylis, Horse Nailer.
Witnesses. Edward Hawkeswood, and Mary Price.
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Re: portman / guest
You picked an odd one there Peterd!
I can only find Amelia Portman on the 1871/61 census.
Ancestry trees have her as the daughter of Thomas Portman and Sarah (Siveter), and Thomas as the son of John Portman and Mary Ann (Bayliss)
In 1841 Thomas is home with his parents but in 1851 he is with his grandparents Thomas and Phoebe Bayliss. Perhaps that caused some confusion?
The Ancestry tree is here http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/person.a ... 1677282134
Don't know if it is significant that John Portman is down as a bachelor when he married Sarah Hackett? Did he actually marry Mary Ann Bayliss?
I can only find Amelia Portman on the 1871/61 census.
Ancestry trees have her as the daughter of Thomas Portman and Sarah (Siveter), and Thomas as the son of John Portman and Mary Ann (Bayliss)
In 1841 Thomas is home with his parents but in 1851 he is with his grandparents Thomas and Phoebe Bayliss. Perhaps that caused some confusion?
The Ancestry tree is here http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/person.a ... 1677282134
Don't know if it is significant that John Portman is down as a bachelor when he married Sarah Hackett? Did he actually marry Mary Ann Bayliss?
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Re: portman / guest
There is this family in 1871
Halesowen, islington
Thomas Portman, 38, horse nail maker
Sarah ditto,32
Amelia ditto,13
Alice ditto,12
William ditto,10
Joseph ditto,6
Arthur ditto,4
Benjamin ditto,1
I think that is Amelia who married Joseph Guest and her brother William who is living near them in 1881 (Peterd's first post). Can't prove it though
Halesowen, islington
Thomas Portman, 38, horse nail maker
Sarah ditto,32
Amelia ditto,13
Alice ditto,12
William ditto,10
Joseph ditto,6
Arthur ditto,4
Benjamin ditto,1
I think that is Amelia who married Joseph Guest and her brother William who is living near them in 1881 (Peterd's first post). Can't prove it though
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Re: portman / guest
The marriage is also on the IGI, extracted.
Joseph Guest.
Father,
Thomas Guest.
Amelia Baylis.
Father,
Thomas Baylis.
Marriage, 21 MAR 1880, Parish Church Of Reddal-Hill, Stafford.
Joseph Guest.
Father,
Thomas Guest.
Amelia Baylis.
Father,
Thomas Baylis.
Marriage, 21 MAR 1880, Parish Church Of Reddal-Hill, Stafford.
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Re: portman / guest
Extracted.
AMELIA PORTMAN.
Christening, 29 MAY 1859. Halesowen, Worcester.
Parents:
THOMAS PORTMAN.
SARAH.
AMELIA PORTMAN.
Christening, 29 MAY 1859. Halesowen, Worcester.
Parents:
THOMAS PORTMAN.
SARAH.
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Extracted.
THOMAS PORTMAN.
SARAH SIVITER.
Marriage, 14 APR 1857, Halesowen, Worcester.
Husband Age at Marriage, 23.
Wife Age at Marriage, 19.
THOMAS PORTMAN.
SARAH SIVITER.
Marriage, 14 APR 1857, Halesowen, Worcester.
Husband Age at Marriage, 23.
Wife Age at Marriage, 19.
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Re: portman / guest
Possible marriage for William
William Portman to Eliza Rose, Reddall Hill Parish Church (extracted)
14 Dec 1879
Fathers Thomas Portman and John Rose
William Portman to Eliza Rose, Reddall Hill Parish Church (extracted)
14 Dec 1879
Fathers Thomas Portman and John Rose
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Re: portman / guest
I dont think that John Portman and mary Ann Bayliss ever married
Gardener think you are right the fact in 1862 he is a bachelor our John Portman is very significant
so although the son of John Portman and Mary Ann Bayliss is bapt as a Thomas Portman here....
THOMAS PORTMAN
Christening: 08 JUN 1835 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: JOHN PORTMAN
Mother: MARY ANN
Extracted
I bet he was really a Bayliss
so his dau maybe used Portman and Bayliss
and when she married had to use the correct surname
or was she married before Mary Ann Bayliss?
is John his father?
Gardener think you are right the fact in 1862 he is a bachelor our John Portman is very significant
so although the son of John Portman and Mary Ann Bayliss is bapt as a Thomas Portman here....
THOMAS PORTMAN
Christening: 08 JUN 1835 Halesowen, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: JOHN PORTMAN
Mother: MARY ANN
Extracted
I bet he was really a Bayliss
so his dau maybe used Portman and Bayliss
and when she married had to use the correct surname
or was she married before Mary Ann Bayliss?
is John his father?
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Re: portman / guest
I bet this is her death
1842
BAYLISS Mary A Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/002/436
So John never married Mary Ann
Thomas is bapt as a Portman
marries as Portman to Sarah Siviter
Dau is regis as Amelia Portman in 1857 halesowen
she maybe has a kids and calls them
Eliza PORTMAN Step Daur 6 Halesowen,
Albert E. PORTMAN Step Son M 3 Halesowen,
but for some reason has to get married using true surname which is Bayliss
21 Mar 1880, St Lukes
Joseph Guest, 20, B, Nailer, Halesowen, Thomas Guest, Nailer.
Amelia Baylis, 23, S, Halesowen, Thomas Baylis, Horse Nailer.
Witnesses. Edward Hawkeswood, and Mary Price.
1842
BAYLISS Mary A Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/002/436
So John never married Mary Ann
Thomas is bapt as a Portman
marries as Portman to Sarah Siviter
Dau is regis as Amelia Portman in 1857 halesowen
she maybe has a kids and calls them
Eliza PORTMAN Step Daur 6 Halesowen,
Albert E. PORTMAN Step Son M 3 Halesowen,
but for some reason has to get married using true surname which is Bayliss
21 Mar 1880, St Lukes
Joseph Guest, 20, B, Nailer, Halesowen, Thomas Guest, Nailer.
Amelia Baylis, 23, S, Halesowen, Thomas Baylis, Horse Nailer.
Witnesses. Edward Hawkeswood, and Mary Price.
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Re: portman / guest
not sure what we want to do with this one...
so unless otherwise advised will be moved to archived within 24 hrs
so unless otherwise advised will be moved to archived within 24 hrs