Owen to Whale connection

[Jimmy]

Ancestry, image available.
Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937.

James Mills. Bachelor.
Dinah Wright. Spinster.

Marriage Date: 15 Sep 1825. Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire.

Both made their mark.

[sp1]

Father on dau Louisas marriage is a John Whale labourer

so can we find Frederick on 1881 census with parents John and Elizabeth Whale

or can we find a marriage for a John Whale and Elizabeth cooper?

Have you looked for a 'Wheale ' / Cooper marriage? - I have Whale ancestors and they sometimes appear as Wheale....

[mumbles]

l will add Cooper and Porter details and connection to my Charles family

[Northern Lass]

So on 1871 Elizabeth is aged 13 with family
1871 26 New Meeting St Oldbury West Bromwich Staffs.
Henry Cooper head 56 mar Pig Dealer b Quinton Worcs.
Dianah Cooper wife 36 Pig Dealers wife b Tipton
Elizabeth Cooper dau 13 b West Bromwich
Edwin Cooper son 4
Frederick Cooper son 1
all others born Oldbury Worcs.

she is having kids by 1880

but we cant find her or frederick on census of 1881

where is frederick whale or variant in 1881 anyone find him?

[Jimmy]

Frederick and Elizabeth don't seem to be on the 1881 census.

[mumbles]

Henry Cooper appears to marry twice

Marriage St. Phillip Birmingham Warks.
Henry Cooper Bach. Pig Dealer Hockley Hill father Benjamin Cooper Pig Dealer
Ellen Yardley Sp. Hockley Hill father Thomas Yardley Nailer
Witnesses Thomas Clement and Joseph Gell

1851 Census Halesowen Street Oldbury Handsworth West Bromwich Staffs.
Henry Cooper Head 34 Labourer born Warley Wigon Worcs.
Ellen Cooper wife 34
Mary Ann Cooper dau 13 Scholar
Amelia Cooper dau 6 Scholar
Alfred Henry Cooper son 4
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.

[Northern Lass]

Hi Mumbles do you want me to move this to brickwalls re not being able to find marriage/s?
or are you done and we can arc?

[mumbles]

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