Ellen Dunn - marriage mystery

[Marchesgirl]

I've recently been doing some research on the family of Foley Dunn and Hannah nee Collins. Their eldest daughter, Ellen, appears to have married twice. Not that unusual you may think but in both cases she has married as Ellen Dunn, a spinster. https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=406570

Her first marriage was in 1863 to George Morgan at St. Edmund's Church, Dudley; her younger brother Silas married at the same church 2 years earlier. Details are as follows:

17-08-1863
George Morgan, of full age, bachelor, Labourer of Dudley, father deceased, m. Helen Dunn, of full age, spinster of Dudley, daughter of Foley Dunn, Horsenailmaker. By Banns. He signed name, she made mark. Wits: William Hazlewood & Clara Dunn. (Clara was her younger sister).

Her second marriage was less than 2 years afterwards at St. Thomas's Church, Dudley where she appears to have had a double wedding with her sister Clara.

26-03-1865
Joseph Stonely, 21, bachelor, Puddler of Dudley, son of William Stonely, Baker, m. Clara Dunn, 20, spinster of Dudley, daughter of Foley Dunn, Horse nail maker. By Banns. Both made mark. Wits: Joseph Pearson & Mary Ann Pearson.

26-03-1865
Phillip Chance, 26, bachelor, Nailer of Dudley, son of Thomas Chance, Nailer, m. Ellen Dunn, 25, spinster of Dudley, daughter of Foley Dunn, Horse nail maker. By Banns. Both made mark. Wits: Joseph Pearson & Mary Ann Pearson.

I am satisfied that both of Ellen's marriages relate to the same person - Foley is not a common Christian name within the Dunn family and there is only one living in the area at the time. I've come across marriages where a man has given his marital status as bachelor even though he's a widower but not where a woman has given her maiden surname in a second marriage. I just wondered whether anyone had come across this before?

[rockyfowler]

Was this death George?
MORGAN, GEORGE 30 Order
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 129

[Northern Lass]

Looks good to me

any children from either marriage?

[gardener]

I just wondered whether anyone had come across this before?

I think so, not in my family, but I'm pretty sure it has come up on here more than once. Unless I'm imagining it. Anyone?

[Jimmy]

I have seen it quite a few times.

[Marchesgirl]

Was this death George?
MORGAN, GEORGE 30 Order
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 129

Thanks for this, Rocky. The GRO Death Indexes on FreeBMD and West MidlandsBMD show there were two George Morgans who died in Stourbridge Registration district in the September quarter of 1864, one in the sub-district of Kingswinford and one in the sub-district of Stourbridge. According to Freereg, A George Morgan aged 1 of Brierley Hill was buried at Holy Trinity Church, Amblecote on 6th July 1864 (suspect this is the Kingswinford sub-district one) so I will see if I can find a burial for the other George.

Northern Lass - I believe that Phillip and Ellen Chance had children but have only just found out about the marriage to George Morgan so don't know whether there are any children from that marriage.

[rockyfowler]

Was this death George?
MORGAN, GEORGE 30 Order
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 129

This is from GRO site https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/cert ... s/menu.asp you need to register free and now gives more details of earlier births and burials he was aged 30 and the death registered at stourbridge so could have been buried anywhere really ?

[rockyfowler]

1871
Dudley Road, Lye, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England
Philip Chance Head - Male 34 1837 - Worcestershire, England
Ellen Chance Wife - Female 31 1840 - Worcestershire, England
Willie Chance Son - Male 5 1866 - Worcestershire, England
Thomas Chance - - Male 3 1868 - Worcestershire, England

1881
Dudley Road, The Lye, Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England

Philip Chance Head Married Male 42 1839 Nail Maker Amblecote, Worcestershire, England
Ellen Chance Wife Married Female 40 1841 Domestic? Quarry Bank, Lancashire, England
William Chance Son Single Male 15 1866 Scholar Lye, Worcestershire, England
Thomas Chance Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar Lye, Worcestershire, England
James Chance Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Lye, Worcestershire, England
Phillip Chance Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Lye, Worcestershire, England
Laura Chance Daughter Single Female 1 1880 Infant Lye, Worcestershire, England

[Jimmy]

The George Morgan that died age 1.
Death,
MORGAN, GEORGE age 1. 
GRO Reference: 1864  S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 135.

must be this one,

MORGAN, GEORGE     WILLIAMS.
GRO Reference: 1863  J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE  Volume 06C  Page 218.

[Northern Lass]

Looks like Ellen had a dau...would need tbc

MORGAN, CLARA DUNN
GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 187

and then...death? maybe should be 4 mths? again would need tbc.
MORGAN, CLARA 4 Order
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 128

so looks like Ellen marries Morgan he dies and then Chance but for some reason maiden name down on marriage

[Jimmy]

It was once illegal to marry a brother or sister in law,
http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570145.html

[Marchesgirl]

Many thanks for the GRO link, Rocky, and for the census information - much appreciated. And thanks for the information on Clara Dunn Morgan, Northern Lass - I will follow up.

[Northern Lass]

Will move to arc if all done with Ellen