This Thomas & Caroline:
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... ver=404385
This couple have bugged me for years (too many Hickmans and too little time!) - different ages given in censuses and their marriage doesn't seem to exist!
I now think that they were both born around 1826 in Gornal (possibly one or both of them in Ruiton, and I think I have finally found their marriage.....
More to follow.
ARC TBC Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
I strongly suspect this is their marriage:
Freereg:
9 Aug 1853, All Saints, Sedgley
Thomas Hickman, 24, bachelor, labourer, Gornal, father John Hickman, labourer
& Catharine Blackham, 24, spinster, Gornal, father John Blackham, Stonemason
Witnesses: Joseph Timmins, Julia Timmins
All sign X
I think Catharine is a mistake in the register and that this is actually Caroline Blackham on BCC here:
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... ver=404358
The age, place and fathers name and occupation all fit, and I can't find a 'Catharine' anywhere, nor does there seem to be a marriage for Caroline Blackham.
Of course, this doesn't account for the son Thomas Hickman born about 1851. He could have been born before they married and possibly given the name originally of either Hickman or Blackham?? - can't find a baptism!
Of course, Thomas could have been previously married, despite saying he was a bachelor in 1853, and there is a Thomas b1851 in the 1851 census with parents Thomas and Ruth. Guess what - can't find their marriage either!
Another possibility is that the Thomas, son of Thomas & Caroline, was simply born after the date of the 1851 census....
Freereg:
9 Aug 1853, All Saints, Sedgley
Thomas Hickman, 24, bachelor, labourer, Gornal, father John Hickman, labourer
& Catharine Blackham, 24, spinster, Gornal, father John Blackham, Stonemason
Witnesses: Joseph Timmins, Julia Timmins
All sign X
I think Catharine is a mistake in the register and that this is actually Caroline Blackham on BCC here:
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... ver=404358
The age, place and fathers name and occupation all fit, and I can't find a 'Catharine' anywhere, nor does there seem to be a marriage for Caroline Blackham.
Of course, this doesn't account for the son Thomas Hickman born about 1851. He could have been born before they married and possibly given the name originally of either Hickman or Blackham?? - can't find a baptism!
Of course, Thomas could have been previously married, despite saying he was a bachelor in 1853, and there is a Thomas b1851 in the 1851 census with parents Thomas and Ruth. Guess what - can't find their marriage either!
Another possibility is that the Thomas, son of Thomas & Caroline, was simply born after the date of the 1851 census....
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
Caroline Blackham and her siblings baptisms are also on Freereg ( as well as on BCC) but it's interesting to look at the fathers details:
Caroline, 1826, father is a labourer, Penn Wood
William, 1829, father is a mason, Upper Gornal
Thomas, 1822 and Sarah, 1824, father is a bricklayer, Upper Gornal
All of the marriages for the children of John Blackham give his occupation as Stonemason, but I don't think it's a big leap from labourer to bricklayer to mason/ Stonemason (assuming he was just laying stones and not carving or cutting them?)
Caroline, 1826, father is a labourer, Penn Wood
William, 1829, father is a mason, Upper Gornal
Thomas, 1822 and Sarah, 1824, father is a bricklayer, Upper Gornal
All of the marriages for the children of John Blackham give his occupation as Stonemason, but I don't think it's a big leap from labourer to bricklayer to mason/ Stonemason (assuming he was just laying stones and not carving or cutting them?)
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
I'm going to order a birth certificate for one of the children (which I should have done years ago!) to confirm mothers maiden name, but can anyone find anything I've missed: Thomas Hickman b1851, Thomas Hickman born about 1826 with father John (baptism or census).....or anything else.......?
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
No need the GRO now gives the mom`s name on search Kind regards RF https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/cert ... search.asp
Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HICKMAN, THOMAS PHILLIPS Order
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in BINGHAM UNION Volume 15 Page 521
HICKMAN, THOMAS HOLLINS Order
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 16 Page 430
HICKMAN, THOMAS WALTERS Order
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in OF NEATH Volume 26 Page 466
HICKMAN, THOMAS FRENCH Order
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in BICESTER UNION Volume 16 Page 39
HICKMAN, THOMAS - Order
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in SHREWSBURY Volume 18 Page 163
HICKMAN, THOMAS BIRD Order
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in WIGAN UNION Volume 21 Page 842
HICKMAN, THOMAS ELLIOTT Order
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in MELTON MOWBRAY Volume 15 Page 227
HICKMAN, THOMAS LEE Order
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH AND CLAPHAM UNION Volume 04 Page 551
HICKMAN, THOMAS GRIFFIN Order
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Volume 01 Page 383
HICKMAN, THOMAS WATTS Order
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in STRAND Volume 01 Page 428
HICKMAN, THOMAS DALY Order
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 15 Page 601
HICKMAN, THOMAS HICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in WITNEY Volume 03A Page 538
HICKMAN, THOMAS PAINTER Order
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in FARINGDON Volume 02C Page 249
HICKMAN, THOMAS LANGSTON Order
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in WYCOMBE Volume 03A Page 394
HICKMAN, THOMAS JAMES Order
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in CLUN UNION Volume 06A Page 505
HICKMAN, THOMAS KAINES Order
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 27
HICKMAN, THOMAS BRAND Order
GRO Reference: 1853 S Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION Volume 01D Page 546
HICKMAN, THOMAS WOOD Order
GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 349
HICKMAN, THOMAS CAVE CAVE Order
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in DAVENTRY Volume 03B Page 94
HICKMAN, THOMAS EDWARD EVANS Order
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 400
HICKMAN, THOMAS HENRY KNIGHT Order
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 202
HICKMAN, THOMAS KNIGHT KNIGHT Order
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in BICESTER UNION Volume 16 Page 41
HICKMAN, THOMAS RICHARD EAMES Order
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in CATHERINGTON Volume 02C Page 97
Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HICKMAN, THOMAS PHILLIPS Order
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in BINGHAM UNION Volume 15 Page 521
HICKMAN, THOMAS HOLLINS Order
GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 16 Page 430
HICKMAN, THOMAS WALTERS Order
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in OF NEATH Volume 26 Page 466
HICKMAN, THOMAS FRENCH Order
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in BICESTER UNION Volume 16 Page 39
HICKMAN, THOMAS - Order
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in SHREWSBURY Volume 18 Page 163
HICKMAN, THOMAS BIRD Order
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in WIGAN UNION Volume 21 Page 842
HICKMAN, THOMAS ELLIOTT Order
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in MELTON MOWBRAY Volume 15 Page 227
HICKMAN, THOMAS LEE Order
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH AND CLAPHAM UNION Volume 04 Page 551
HICKMAN, THOMAS GRIFFIN Order
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Volume 01 Page 383
HICKMAN, THOMAS WATTS Order
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in STRAND Volume 01 Page 428
HICKMAN, THOMAS DALY Order
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 15 Page 601
HICKMAN, THOMAS HICKMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in WITNEY Volume 03A Page 538
HICKMAN, THOMAS PAINTER Order
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in FARINGDON Volume 02C Page 249
HICKMAN, THOMAS LANGSTON Order
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in WYCOMBE Volume 03A Page 394
HICKMAN, THOMAS JAMES Order
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in CLUN UNION Volume 06A Page 505
HICKMAN, THOMAS KAINES Order
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 27
HICKMAN, THOMAS BRAND Order
GRO Reference: 1853 S Quarter in LEWISHAM UNION Volume 01D Page 546
HICKMAN, THOMAS WOOD Order
GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 349
HICKMAN, THOMAS CAVE CAVE Order
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in DAVENTRY Volume 03B Page 94
HICKMAN, THOMAS EDWARD EVANS Order
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON & SEISDON Volume 17 Page 400
HICKMAN, THOMAS HENRY KNIGHT Order
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 202
HICKMAN, THOMAS KNIGHT KNIGHT Order
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in BICESTER UNION Volume 16 Page 41
HICKMAN, THOMAS RICHARD EAMES Order
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in CATHERINGTON Volume 02C Page 97
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
Thanks RF - didn't know they did that!
Took me ages to get access to the site, but after doing so none of the children here seem to have been registered!?
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... ver=404385
Took me ages to get access to the site, but after doing so none of the children here seem to have been registered!?
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... ver=404385
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
All registered Sedgley.
HICKMANS, THOMAS FIELDHOUSE Order
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 292
HICKMANS, THOMAS OAKLEY Order
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 316
HICKMANS, THOMAS PATCHETT Order
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 354
HICKMANS, THOMAS FIELDHOUSE Order
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 292
HICKMANS, THOMAS OAKLEY Order
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 316
HICKMANS, THOMAS PATCHETT Order
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 354
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
3 children,
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HICKMANS, JAMES BLACKHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 71
HICKMANS, MARY ANN BLACKHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 74
HICKMANS, JOSEPH BLACKHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 116
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HICKMANS, JAMES BLACKHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 71
HICKMANS, MARY ANN BLACKHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 74
HICKMANS, JOSEPH BLACKHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 116
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
Staffordshire.
Place (link for place information) Sedgley.
Church name All Saints.
Register type Parish Register.
Register entry number 579.
Baptism date 07 Mar 1830.
Person forename Thomas
Person abode Upper Gornal.
Father forename John
Father surname HICKMAN.
Father occupation Nailer.
Mother forename Sarah.
1851. Chain Aleey, Sedgley.
John Hickman 48. Nail maker.
Sarah Hickman 46.
John Hickman 21.
James Hickman 26.
Thomas Hickman 21. Nail maker.
Hannah Hickman 16.
Mary Ann Hickman 15.
Sarah Hickman 10.
Samuel Hickman 5.
Martha Hickman 2.
Thomas Harbage 22.
Emma Woodall 10.
Elizabeth Woodall 7.
Mary Ann Woodall 5.
Felix Woodall 2.
Hannah Woodall 4 Mo.
Phebe Short 68.
HICKMANS, SARAH HARTILL Order
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 326.
HICKMANS, SAMUEL HARTILL Order
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 291.
HICKMANS, MARTHA HARTILL Order
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 337.
Worcestershire.
Place (link for place information) Dudley.
Church name St Thomas.
Register type Unspecified.
Register entry number 289.
Marriage date 27 Jun 1824.
Groom forename John
Groom surname HICKMAN.
Groom condition single.
Groom parish Dudley.
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname HARTHILL.
Bride condition spinster.
Bride parish Dudley.
Witness S PASKIN.
Witness Joseph WILSON.
Register note By Banns-Bride Groom & witness 2 signed. Witness 1 marked X.
Place (link for place information) Sedgley.
Church name All Saints.
Register type Parish Register.
Register entry number 579.
Baptism date 07 Mar 1830.
Person forename Thomas
Person abode Upper Gornal.
Father forename John
Father surname HICKMAN.
Father occupation Nailer.
Mother forename Sarah.
1851. Chain Aleey, Sedgley.
John Hickman 48. Nail maker.
Sarah Hickman 46.
John Hickman 21.
James Hickman 26.
Thomas Hickman 21. Nail maker.
Hannah Hickman 16.
Mary Ann Hickman 15.
Sarah Hickman 10.
Samuel Hickman 5.
Martha Hickman 2.
Thomas Harbage 22.
Emma Woodall 10.
Elizabeth Woodall 7.
Mary Ann Woodall 5.
Felix Woodall 2.
Hannah Woodall 4 Mo.
Phebe Short 68.
HICKMANS, SARAH HARTILL Order
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 326.
HICKMANS, SAMUEL HARTILL Order
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 291.
HICKMANS, MARTHA HARTILL Order
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 337.
Worcestershire.
Place (link for place information) Dudley.
Church name St Thomas.
Register type Unspecified.
Register entry number 289.
Marriage date 27 Jun 1824.
Groom forename John
Groom surname HICKMAN.
Groom condition single.
Groom parish Dudley.
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname HARTHILL.
Bride condition spinster.
Bride parish Dudley.
Witness S PASKIN.
Witness Joseph WILSON.
Register note By Banns-Bride Groom & witness 2 signed. Witness 1 marked X.
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
Jimmy wrote:3 children,
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
HICKMANS, JAMES BLACKHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 71
HICKMANS, MARY ANN BLACKHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 74
HICKMANS, JOSEPH BLACKHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 116
Thank Jimmy
That confirms my suspicions about the Blackham marriage!
Wonder why they didn't show up when I tried?
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
Jimmy wrote:Staffordshire.
Place (link for place information) Sedgley.
Church name All Saints.
Register type Parish Register.
Register entry number 579.
Baptism date 07 Mar 1830.
Person forename Thomas
Person abode Upper Gornal.
Father forename John
Father surname HICKMAN.
Father occupation Nailer.
Mother forename Sarah.
1851. Chain Aleey, Sedgley.
John Hickman 48. Nail maker.
Sarah Hickman 46.
John Hickman 21.
James Hickman 26.
Thomas Hickman 21. Nail maker.
Hannah Hickman 16.
Mary Ann Hickman 15.
Sarah Hickman 10.
Samuel Hickman 5.
Martha Hickman 2.
Thomas Harbage 22.
Emma Woodall 10.
Elizabeth Woodall 7.
Mary Ann Woodall 5.
Felix Woodall 2.
Hannah Woodall 4 Mo.
Phebe Short 68.
HICKMANS, SARAH HARTILL Order
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 326.
HICKMANS, SAMUEL HARTILL Order
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 291.
HICKMANS, MARTHA HARTILL Order
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 337.
Worcestershire.
Place (link for place information) Dudley.
Church name St Thomas.
Register type Unspecified.
Register entry number 289.
Marriage date 27 Jun 1824.
Groom forename John
Groom surname HICKMAN.
Groom condition single.
Groom parish Dudley.
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname HARTHILL.
Bride condition spinster.
Bride parish Dudley.
Witness S PASKIN.
Witness Joseph WILSON.
Register note By Banns-Bride Groom & witness 2 signed. Witness 1 marked X.
Not sure this is Thomas- I think he's 3-4 years older, and there are at least 3 or 4 candidates?
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
Hickmans not Hickman.
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
Jimmy wrote:Hickmans not Hickman.
I thought I tried that, as it's a common variant...
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Re: Thomas & Caroline Hickman on BCC
There is this one.
BLACKHAM, THOMAS BLANK.
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 349.
BLACKHAM, THOMAS BLANK.
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 18 Page 349.