Searching for my grandmother's birth record

[Northern Lass]

poss..
JONES, WILLIAM ARTHUR SMITH
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 348

[Northern Lass]

So...can anyone find George Jones b 1863 on 1901 pls

and Margaret smith b 1877 pls

wondering if this Sollars is somehow on the George line...

still trying to find a marriage for George JOnes and Margaret Smith about 1903.

think first kid born cardiff 1904.

[Northern Lass]

There is this but later than 1903...and on 1911 they say 8 years married?

Marriages Mar 1910
BROOM Maria Jane Cardiff 11a 656 Scan available - click to view
JONES George Richard Cardiff 11a 656 Scan available - click to view
Nelson William James Cardiff 11a 656 Scan available - click to view
SMITH Margaret Cardiff 11a 656

might be different couples too..ie George on this 1910 marries maria broom

wonder if the marriage in 1910 is available online to view...
so we can see who married whom?

[peterd]

you ever thought the final divorce decree might hold something ?

"Contact the court where the divorce, dissolution or annulment took place to get a copy of a decree absolute or final order. It costs £10 if you know the case number. You can pay by: credit or debit card."

or other options

https://www.gov.uk/copy-decree-absolute-final-order

[Northern Lass]

so on the 1901 there is this lot..but it looks like another family altogether.....in fact it is ...just adding this for info.

1901 Tidenham Glouces.
George Jones 38 married stone quarryman.b Tidenham Glouces..
Margaret Jones 36
Willie Chas Jones 13
Bartie Jones 7
Archibald Jones 5
Jessie Jones 3
all born glouces.

kids..

JONES, WILLIAM CHARLES LEWIS Order
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in CHEPSTOW Volume 11A Page 6

JONES, ARCHIBALD LEWIS LEWIS
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in CHEPSTOW Volume 11A Page 16

JONES, BERTIE REGINALD LEWIS
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in CHEPSTOW Volume 11A Page 12


JONES, JESSIE MARGARET LEWIS Order
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in CHEPSTOW Volume 11A Page 14

possible
Marriages Dec 1887
BOULTON Selina Barton R 6a 235
JONES George Barton R. 6a 235
LEWIS Margaret Barton R. 6a 235
Taylor Francis Barton R 6a 235

this family is here in 1911 so not our family
1911 Tutshill Nr Chepstow Mon Wales
George Jones 49
Margret Jones 47
Willie Jones 24
Bertie Jones 18
Archibold Jones 17
Jerice Jones 13

[Northern Lass]

So where is George Jones b 1863 Bristol Glouces in 1901 and 1891 etc.

[SRD]

This might be him:
Census 1901 (Detail)
27 Quarella St. Barry, Glamorgan, Wales
George Jones Boarder Single 38 General Labourer Gloucester Bristol
Boarding in the household of George & Francis Cooper

[PascalePC]

...so where is the marriage of George Jones ...and Margaret smith ..is that dob on 1911 correct if so he is born est 1863 and she is b 1877

Oh dear, a George Jones marries a Margaret Smith, at least he wasn't John. The 1911 Census also shows married 8 years which helps but is also pretty late, making him 40 and her 26 so it may also be that either had been married before and that Margaret wasn't Smith on the marriage records.

Thanks guys. I found this - maybe if Margaret was married before, she might not be married as Smith?
GEORGE JONES
Q4 1901
MarriageFinder™ GEORGE JONES married one of these people
Margaret Anne Lewis, Margaret Ann Phillips
Neath, Glamorganshire, Wales
Volume 11A, 1499

**Later edit**
Sorry Northern Lass - just saw your post about the Jones/Lewis family - so the above must be a different George Jones (who married Margaret Anne Lewis)...

[PascalePC]

On that 1911 where does it say Reginalds brother is born
can't see his birth...And where are Margaret smith and George Jones born.

I think this is George (he may have called his son William after his father, William)- baptised 1863 in Bristol (where it says George is from in 1911 census)
Baptism date 21 Jun 1863
Baptism place Hanham Abbots, St George, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Father William Jones
Mother Sarah Ann Jones

And re the denominations ...the 1891 has the districts they were born in....
and Margaret the one b 1923 was married in a C. of E church St Pauls

Did you mean Hilda was married in St Paul’s? (My grandmother, Margaret’s (born 1923) 1st and 3rd marriages were in Portsmouth, her 2nd one in Gosport.

[PascalePC]

So where is George Jones b 1863 Bristol Glouces in 1901 and 1891 etc.

This might be him:
Census 1901 (Detail)
27 Quarella St. Barry, Glamorgan, Wales
George Jones Boarder Single 38 General Labourer Gloucester Bristol
Boarding in the household of George & Francis Cooper

Maybe this is him though? The marine connection is there. Perhaps he worked with the head of the household? Perhaps the head’s wife, Ann was a connection from Bristol?
17, Janet Street, Cardiff, Roath, Glamorganshire, Wales:
George Robinson, Head, Married, Male age 54. Born 1847, Ship's Rigger. Born in Scotland.
Ann Robinson, Wife, Married, Female, age 54, 1847. Born Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
George Jones, Boarder, Single, Male, age 37, 1864. Ship's Rigger, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Qudock, Boarder, Widow, Female, age 43, 1858, Charwoman, Yorkshire, England

[PascalePC]

Another thing, how do you know that Reg wasn't Margaret's natural father? If it's hearsay passed through generations then it may be that the original story was that George & Margaret Smith (or at least one of them) weren't Reg's natural father and that the story has got mangled in the re-telling. It's an expensive way to go and might involve contacting a lot of strangers but DNA testing might sort it out.
A couple of points, can you find George & Margaret on other Electoral rolls? If they're living apart maybe there was a matrimonial bust up over Reg's paternity that was resolved.
And another, might it be that there were two Reginald Wyndhams, one Jones one Sollars?

Thanks, SRD. I couldn’t find a Reginald Sollars anywhere. I will have a look at other electoral rolls for George and Margaret though.
I don’t think it was heresay, it was a revelation from Hilda to Margaret later on in her life - possibly when she left home (my uncle isn’t sure when Hilda told Margaret but he knew Reginald wasn’t his biological grandfather before Hilda died). My uncle told me this and he lived with his mum, Margaret and his nan, Hilda, and Reginald, after she and my uncle’s french father (Roger Jean Féat) divorced.
There is no birth record for Margaret Jones 31/12/1923 in Hull either…

[PascalePC]

you ever thought the final divorce decree might hold something ?
"Contact the court where the divorce, dissolution or annulment took place to get a copy of a decree absolute or final order. It costs £10 if you know the case number. You can pay by: credit or debit card."
or other options https://www.gov.uk/copy-decree-absolute-final-order

Thanks, peterd - do you mean Margaret’s divorce to my french grandfather? What might it reveal, do you think?

[PascalePC]

poss..
JONES, WILLIAM ARTHUR SMITH
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 348

Thanks, Northern Lass. This looks like Reg's brother, right?

[PascalePC]

Does anyone know where Margaret, (Reginald’s mum, born 1877)’s apparent birth place is - Macoy Crommer Moor? (It says this on 1911 census)

[PascalePC]

This might be him:
Census 1901 (Detail)
27 Quarella St. Barry, Glamorgan, Wales
George Jones Boarder Single 38 General Labourer Gloucester Bristol
Boarding in the household of George & Francis Cooper

Something that could be significant is that on Reginald’s birth certificate, which I have, it says that George Jones’ occupation is General Labourer - which fits in with the 1901 census record you found, SRD. In 1901, he has the same occupation as he had in 1905. I’m more inclined to think that the above 1901 record is correct, rather than the one I found.

Does anyone know where Margaret, (Reginald’s mum, born 1877)’s apparent birth place is - Macoy Crommer Moor? (It says this on 1911 census)

I can't find this place anywhere. I did find a Cardiff birth for a Margaret Smith:
MARGARET SMITH
Q1 1877
Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Volume 11A, Page 280

If the above 1901 census record is George, he would have to have met and started having kids with Margaret Smith very soon after this census was taken, as they apparently had 2 children die before William and Reginald were born. Then again - so maybe those deceased children were from previous marriage of Margaret?

I have confused myself trying to find George and Margaret’s marriage, as well as a previous one!!