*Completed* Henry Plunkett

[grangers14]

That census in 1851 has William Terrall and in 1881 has William Tipp as brother unmarried aged 69. Occupations the same, could be the same one?

[grangers14]

The only other marriage for an Emma Tipp is this one

Marriages Dec 1842
FANT Elizabeth Shoreditch 2 296
FAUT Elizabeth Shoreditch 2 296
Hall Joseph Shoreditch 2 296
HEARN Hannah Shoreditch 2 296
SCOTT Henry Light Shoreditch 2 296
SIMPSON William Shoreditch 2 296
SMITHAdeline Urling Shoreditch 2 296
Tipp Emma Shoreditch 2 296
Whiley Aaron Shoreditch 2 296


.. and I haven't got a clue which one she married

Aaron Whiley she married...
3rd October 1842. St John the Baptists, Shoreditch, her father John Tipp a shipwright too

[grangers14]

This is odd??
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TIPP, EMMA MATILDA PLUNKETT WEYER
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 590

[grangers14]

?? has Emma as daughter has been added to census wrong or adopted?

19th December 1841. St Mary, Whitechapel
John Tipp, Of Full age, B, Mariner, Whitehouse Place, Stepney, Thomas Tipp, Shipwright
Matilda Wilkinson, Minor, W, Ditto, Henry Weyer, Cook??
Witnesses, Henry Peter Weyer, Henry Chapman

1851. 44 Church Road, St George in the East.
John Tipp, head, 30, Mariner, Deptford
Matilda, wife, 28, London
John, son, 8, St George East
James, son, 1, St George East
Mary A Pratt, visitor, 24, seamstress, Compton, Sussex

1861. 7 White House Lane? Stepney
Matilda Tipp, Wife, M, 38, Aldgate
James, son, Henry, son, 11, St George East
Henry, son, 4, Stepney
Emma, daur, 2,, Stepney
James Forbes, Uncle, W, 72, St Georege East

1871. Lillington Street, St John Westminster
John Tipps, head, 50, ?, Deptford
Jas W, son, 21, Shop man, Stepney
Hy ? son, 14, errand boy, Stepney

[mallosa]

That census in 1851 has William Terrall and in 1881 has William Tipp as brother unmarried aged 69. Occupations the same, could be the same one?

I can't figure it all out, been looking for ages and found this but not sure if it helps or hinders.

1841: Mile End Old Town Lower, Stepney, Middlesx
Correction on ancestry - Lynell [Tyrrell] [Tyrell]
Mary Lynell 55 not born in county
Emma Lynell 25
Mary Ann Lynell 25
James Lynell 21
Walter Lynell 4
Emma Lynell 6
(others born in county)

[grangers14]

I doný know Mallosa??
I don't think Emma is their daughter. I can only see 2 that were born around that time, one with mother Ann Worman married to Edward Plunkett. Another maiden name as Redmond but I can't see a marriage?
I think it is the one registered as Plunkett Tipp...
And it is John Tipp as Witness not as I put Tipton for Henry's marriage. I think it is the same Emma, just not married till later as her sister is with them in 1861 too.
Jo

[grangers14]

Any other thoughts on this? There is also a report on the Bugle that a relative put about his burial place...

[mallosa]

As I said Jo, I'm at a loss on that marriage in 1860, which would mean they were living together for 20 yrs before they decided to get hitched but as he died the next year, could that explain why?

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
26 September 1861 The will of Henry Plunkett late of West Bromwich solicitor deceased who died 18th June 1861 at West Bromwich was proved at Lichfield by the oath of Emma Plunkett widow the relict and the sole Executrix - Effects under £1,500.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=394464

[mallosa]

There is also a report on the Bugle that a relative put about his burial place...

from Deceased Online website
PLUNKETT HENRY
Burial date 26 June 1861 Kensington and Chelsea

Just read that Jo, she obviously doesn't know what we know does she? I've a good mind to contact her

[Northern Lass]

not really following this but the Emma we have on here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =355138206


can't have the mother wyer then can she as there is another one born that time and is on census with mother Matilda
so you need to delete the gro in notes for emma with mother emma tipp

that is how I read it.

and so this is the emma with mother wyer on census
19th December 1841. St Mary, Whitechapel
John Tipp, Of Full age, B, Mariner, Whitehouse Place, Stepney, Thomas Tipp, Shipwright
Matilda Wilkinson, Minor, W, Ditto, Henry Weyer, Cook??
Witnesses, Henry Peter Weyer, Henry Chapman

1851. 44 Church Road, St George in the East.
John Tipp, head, 30, Mariner, Deptford
Matilda, wife, 28, London
John, son, 8, St George East
James, son, 1, St George East
Mary A Pratt, visitor, 24, seamstress, Compton, Sussex

1861. 7 White House Lane? Stepney
Matilda Tipp, Wife, M, 38, Aldgate
James, son, Henry, son, 11, St George East
Henry, son, 4, Stepney
Emma, daur, 2,, Stepney
James Forbes, Uncle, W, 72, St Georege East

1871. Lillington Street, St John Westminster
John Tipps, head, 50, ?, Deptford
Jas W, son, 21, Shop man, Stepney
Hy ? son, 14, errand boy, Stepney

[Northern Lass]

brother for the one with mother matilda
TIPP, JAMES WILLIAM WEYER Order
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE (IN THE EAST) Volume 02

and another one
TIPP, HENRY FRANCIS WEYER Order
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 501

[Northern Lass]

PLUNKETT, EMMA LOUISE WORMAN Order
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 206

PLUNKETT, EMMA REDMOND Order
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in SAINT SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 5

So where is Emma on 1861 she is aged 12 on 1871
1871: 4 Hawthorn Terrace, Barking, Essex
Emma Plunkett 53 Head Wid Annuitant Deptford, Middlesex
Elizabeth Bancham 64 Sister Wid Shipwright Widow Deptford, Middlesex
Emma Plunkett 12 Dau Stepney, Middlesex
James Thos Morgan 28 Lodger Commission Agent Halesworth, Suffolk

is she adopted by Henry and Emma?

[Northern Lass]

and odd that the Emma with this lot in 1861 is not thee in 1871...so is she the one with Emma in 1871 ..taken in by family?
That one has born Stepney on census

1861. 7 White House Lane? Stepney
Matilda Tipp, Wife, M, 38, Aldgate
James, son, Henry, son, 11, St George East
Henry, son, 4, Stepney
Emma, daur, 2,, Stepney
James Forbes, Uncle, W, 72, St Georege East


1871. Lillington Street, St John Westminster
John Tipps, head, 50, ?, Deptford
Jas W, son, 21, Shop man, Stepney
Hy ? son, 14, errand boy, Stepney

1871: 4 Hawthorn Terrace, Barking, Essex
Emma Plunkett 53 Head Wid Annuitant Deptford, Middlesex
Elizabeth Bancham 64 Sister Wid Shipwright Widow Deptford, Middlesex
Emma Plunkett 12 Dau Stepney, Middlesex
James Thos Morgan 28 Lodger Commission Agent Halesworth, Suffolk

[grangers14]

No idea why such a late marriage?
It looks like John Tipp was also a brother to Emma as marriage indicates and familysearch has this
St Paul Deptford
John Tipp
Born 15th November 1818. Christening 15th July 1822
Parents, Thomas and Elizabeth Tipp

I wondered if they took Emma over but with her name makes me wonder if it was planned? Why add Plunkett in otherwise?

[grangers14]

I cant find a death for Matilda Tipp? I was thinking if Matilda died they then took her? Still doesn't get away the fact Plunkett is a middle name??