Thomas Oakley b abt 1844--NL sorting.

[Northern Lass]

he is on Bcc here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =484921445

going in circles on this one.
I think his mother is an Esther....father William think they are on 1851...can anyone find it please.

Then I think I found them on 1861 but without Thomas.

but on Gro I can't fathom out which one is Thomas

not this one
of Elwell as he is here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =869940844

and confusingly there is a Sarah Elwell and Sarah Vanes marrying a Wm Oakley on free reg.
which is confusing as a Thomas Oakley has mother Elwell....which is I think one on bcc with mother ann Elwell.

so really confused.....can't get handle on it all.

was trying to find mother of Thomas born 1844 whose father is I know a william.

[gardener]

1851
Dudley
New Dock
Household Members:
Name Age
William Oakley 36 naylor
Esther Oakley 48
Thomas Oakley 8
all born Dudley

Piece: 2032
Folio: 132
Page Number: 50



with Esther being older than William I wonder if this is the marriage?


1850
MARSH Esther OAKLEY William Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/010/32

[gardener]

Church name St Thomas
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 32
Marriage date 18 Feb 1850
Groom forename William
Groom surname OAKLEY
Groom age 35
Groom condition widower
Groom abode Stafford Street
Groom parish
Groom occupation Nailer
Bride forename Esther
Bride surname MARSH
Bride age 44
Bride condition widow
Bride abode Stafford Street
Bride parish
Bride occupation
Groom father forename Isaac
Groom father surname OAKLEY
Groom father occupation Nailer (deceased)
Bride father forename Joseph
Bride father surname JEWKES
Bride father occupation Glass Cutter (deceased)
Witness Sarah BILLINGHAM
Witness Samuel JEWKES
Register note By Banns-Groom Bride & witness 1 marked X. Witness 2 signed

[gardener]

Just adding this, although it would need following up

1841
Dudley
William Oakley 25 nailor
Ann Oakley 1
Sarah Oakley 20
Elizabeth Oakley 6 Mo

births

OAKLEY, SARAH ANN VANES
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 170
OAKLEY, SUSANNAH VANES
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 260
OAKLEY, ELIZABETH VANES
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 258
OAKLEY, THOMAS VANES
GRO Reference: 1843 S Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 243
OAKLEY, WILLIAM VANES
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 266

if "Ann" in 1841 was Susannah and there were a lot of deaths then it might fit?

Death
OAKLEY, SARAH 29
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 258

Marriage
Place Tipton
Church name St Martin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 417
Marriage date 25 Jul 1836
Groom forename William
Groom surname OAKLEY
Groom age
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Tipton
Groom parish
Groom occupation
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname VANES
Bride age
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Tipton
Witness Thomas SHORTHOUSE
Witness John JONES
Register note Groom and bride sign X

but I wouldn't put any money on it

[jac]

Baptism St Thomas Dudley 20th Aug 1815 William Oakley -Isaac + Lydia Oakley

Marriage St Thomas 25 Dec 1798 Isaac Oakley + Lydia Sivetor

Jac

[gardener]

Would it be worth checking these? Same day at St James. Sarah Ann and Susannah seem to have been baptised at St Thomas, William too I think.

Name: Thomas Oakley
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Jan 1845
Baptism Place: St. James, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father: William Oakley
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 1470598

Name: Elizabeth Oakley
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 5 Jan 1845
Baptism Place: St. James, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father: William Oakley
Mother: Sarah

Name: William Oakley
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 Dec 1846
Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1847
Baptism Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Father: William Oakley
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 378774, 378775, 378777, 378778

Name: Susannah Oakley
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 15 Dec 1839
Baptism Date: 26 Jan 1840
Baptism Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Death Date: 26 Mar 1840
Father: William Oakley
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 378770, 378771, 378772, 378773

Though that would mean that she can't be in the 1841 census! So I am giving up

Name: Sarah Ann Oakley
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 27 Aug 1837
Baptism Place: St. Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father: William Oakley
Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 350620

[gardener]

Baptism St Thomas Dudley 20th Aug 1815 William Oakley -Isaac + Lydia Oakley

Marriage St Thomas 25 Dec 1798 Isaac Oakley + Lydia Sivetor

Jac

A few houses away in 1841 were

Isaac Oakley 39
Jane Oakley 35
Thomas Oakley 16
Lydia Oakley 10

and I think that is William's (the one in 1841 married to Sarah) brother:

Name: Isaac Oakley
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 7 Jun 1802
Baptism Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Father: Isaac Oakley
Mother: Lydia
FHL Film Number: 378764

[Northern Lass]

Thanks G I think that works
so Thomas's mother is Sarah Vanes.

And the later marriage is for Wm Oakley to Esther marsh.
Going to add this lot.