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[mumbles]

Found this Elizabeth Adams as Elizabeth Unknown on bcc and added marriage

Marriage St. Andrew Dudley 16/9/1883
Alexander Billingham bach. 21 Netherton Chain Maker father James Billingham Chain Maker
Elizabeth Adams sp. 20 father Joseph Adams Chain Maker
Witnesses William Adams and Priscilla Johnson

http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =822139869

But cannot find her or her father before her marriage

[Jimmy]

I can't see anything at the moment,

[grangers14]

I looked the other day and couldn´t see them...
Jo

[rockyfowler]

Already in BCC http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=383701
If the census had been put in she would
1871
Hackett Street, Rowley Regis, Dudley, Staffordshire, England


Joseph Adams Lodger - Shoe Maker Male 32 1839 - Staffordshire, England
Mary Adams Wife - Female 29 1842 - Staffordshire, England
William A T Adams Son - Male 12 1859 - Staffordshire, England
William Adams Son - Male 8 1863 - Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Adams Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Staffordshire, England
Joseph Adams Son - Male 1 1870 - Staffordshire, England

Her dad second marriage
1 Aug 1865 St Martin Birmingham
Joseph ADAMS F B Shoe Maker Cheapside Father William Adams Shoe Maker
Mary SAINT F S Cheapside Father William Saint Miner After Banns
The X Of Both Wit; James Billingham / Sarah Collins X

[Jimmy]

I saw that one but he was not a chain maker.

[rockyfowler]

He changed occupation or transcribed wrongly

[mumbles]

I think RF is right
I will check some of my records as Elizabeth Adams was daughter of either Mary Saint or her sister Elizabeth Saint
Connection to me is that brother of Elizabeth and Mary, James Saint married Martha Harris and when he died Martha Saint (nee Harris) married Joseph Brookes my great grandfather

[Jimmy]

Can someone look at the 1881 census, its a bit confusing.

1861. Black Heath.
William Adams 63. Butcher.
Maria Adams 60.
Sarah J Adams 19. Dau. Halesowen.
Mary Adams 16. Dau.
Joseph Adams 23. Son. Mar. Butcher.
Elizabeth Adams 21. Wife. Tipton.
William Adams 1. Son.
Elizabeth Adams 5/12. Dau.

Others born Rowley.

1881. No 3 Elbow St, Rowley Regis.
Joseph Adams 43. Shoe maker.
Mary Adams 40.
Willm. Adams 22. Mar.
Elizabeth Adams 20. Mar. sons wife.
Joseph Adams 12.
Priscilla Adams 9.
James Adams 4.
Thomas Adams
Mary Adams 20.
Mary Walker 9.

1891. 3 Elbow St, Rowley Regis.
William Adams 31. Boot repairer.
Mary A Adams 31.
Naomi Adams 2.
William J Adams 5/12.
Mary Walker 11.
Joseph Adams 54. Father. Boot repairer.
Mary Adams 52. Mother.
Joseph Adams 22. Brother.
Priscilla Adams 19. Sister.
James Adams 14. Brother.
Mary Adams 5. Sister.
Thomas Adams 10. Brother.

[mumbles]

1881 Census 3 Elbow Street Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Joseph Adams Head 43 Shoemaker
Mary Adams wife 40 Nail Forger
William Adams son 22 (M) Shoemaker
Elizabeth Adams wife sons 20 (m) "Shoemakers Wife" crossed out
Joseph Adams son 12 Scholar
Priscilla Adams dau 9 Scholar
James Adams son 4 Scholar
Thomas Adams son 10mths.
Mary Adams dau 20 Nail Forger
Mary Walker boarder 9 Scholar
All born Rowley Regis Staffs.

1891 Census 3 Elbow Street Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
William Adams Head 31 Boot Repairer
Mary A. Adams wife 31
Naomi Adams dau 2
William J. Adams son 5mths.
Mary Walker step.dau 11 Scholar
Joseph Adams father 54 Boot Repairer
Mary Adams mother 52 Nailer
Joseph Adams brother 22 Chain Maker
Priscilla Adams sister 19 Chain Maker
James Adams brother 14 Shoemakers Apprentice
Thomas Adams brother 10 Scholar
Mary Adams dau 20 Nail Forger
All born Rowley Regis Staffs.

William Adams is on 1911 as widower married 31 years
possible marriage St. Edmunds 1881 to a Mary Walker looks likely

1881 Census is a mess ref. relationships and whether married or not
Mary Walker boarder 9 Scholar
All born Rowley Regis Staffs.

[mumbles]

I think 1881 Census should show Mary Adams 20 as married to William Adams
and Mary Walker boarder 9 should be 9 mths.

[gardener]

Found this Elizabeth Adams as Elizabeth Unknown on bcc and added marriage

Marriage St. Andrew Dudley 16/9/1883
Alexander Billingham bach. 21 Netherton Chain Maker father James Billingham Chain Maker
Elizabeth Adams sp. 20 father Joseph Adams Chain Maker
Witnesses William Adams and Priscilla Johnson

http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =822139869

But cannot find her or her father before her marriage

Could this be the witness [Auntie] Priscilla? http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=383711

[rockyfowler]

Field VALUE
County Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church name St Andrew (Netherton)
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number
Marriage date 10 Sep 1871
Groom forename Eli
Groom surname JOHNSON
Groom age Full age
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode
Groom parish Netherton
Groom occupation Chainmaker
Bride forename Priscilla
Bride surname SAINT
Bride age Full age
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode
Bride parish Netherton
Bride occupation
Groom father forename Thomas
Groom father surname JOHNSON
Groom father occupation Horsenailer
Bride father forename ?
Bride father surname ?
Bride father occupation ?
Witness Joseph ADAMS
Witness Mary ADAMS
Register note Bride's father is deceased, no name given

[grangers14]

Strange to have 2 sons called William?

[gardener]

Strange to have 2 sons called William?

It is a bit. I think the 1871 census says William A S Adams and wondered if he was illegitimate, but that doesn't seem likely

Marriages Mar 1859
Adams Joseph Dudley 6c 77
Saint Elizabeth Dudley 6c 77

1861
Rowley Regis, Black Heath
William Adams 63 butcher
Maria Adams 60 wife
Sarah J Adams 19 dau born Halesowen
Mary Adams 16 dau
Joseph Adams 23 m son butcher
Elizabeth Adams 21 born Tipton
William Adams 1
Elizabeth Adams 5/12
rest born Rowley

[mumbles]

I think William Adams born 1860 is one that married Mary Walker as 1891 Census shows born 1860,1901 Census shows born 1860 and 1911 1859


I have posted marriage for look up