John Loach & Another Eliza Unknown

[maryann]

RF did a look- up for me for a marriage of Charity Loach to William Yates in 1867 (which I added to BCC).

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =673830849

On that marriage Charity's father was listed as John Loach, (dec) labourer.

I started to add her father John and realized there were several John Loachs already on BCC.

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =989648422

So I did a parent search on Family Search and the following came up:

William Loach c. 1836 d. 1837
Samuel Loach c. 1838 d. 1838
Mary Loach c. 1844
CHARITY Loach c. 1847
Sarah Loach c 1850
All are extracted entries, Kingswinford, Staff. St. Mary's Chapelry, father John Loach & mother Eliza.

I thought these are probably John Loach & Eliza Harvery's children already on BCC.
However they only have a John b. abt 1840 & a Sarah abt 1844, so the others should be on the 1851 census with them, cannot find an Eliza Loach on the 1851 or 1861 census. I did a reverse search for Eliza Harvery and found her mother to be Charity Harvey who marries a Clark a month after Eliza's birth. Added all those to BCC, but have not tied them together yet. I then asked RF to do a look-up on Eliza Harvey marriage to John Loach 8 Jun 1835 thinking maybe one of the witness would be a sibling of Eliza. The witnesses were another JOHN LOACH & Mary Jane Wasden.
Can anyone find an Eliza with these children on 1851 or 61 census. She shows up on the 1881 living with son John?

[Northern Lass]

So this is the one you think it is in 1841

1841 Census, Kingswinford, Staff
John Loach M 30 Labourer nbc
Eliza Loach F 25 bc
John Loach M 6 mos. bc

so we need Charity in 1851 or this lot above in 1851 to confirm we can connect up

[maryann]

Yes that's correct, I just hate to add another John Loach with Unknown wife.

[Northern Lass]

Ok....can anyone find in 1851
Charity loach with family

hoping it is this one

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =989648422


if her mothers mother is charity I think we can say that Eliza harvey is Charity loach's mother
however not sure if charity is part of that one with John and sarah...as sarah is born 1844 on bcc
and the bapt for a sarah is 1850

any ideas anyone

[Jimmy]

Ok....can anyone find in 1851
Charity loach with family

hoping it is this one

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =989648422


if her mothers mother is charity I think we can say that Eliza harvey is Charity loach's mother
however not sure if charity is part of that one with John and sarah...as sarah is born 1844 on bcc
and the bapt for a sarah is 1850

any ideas anyone

I can't see them in 1851 or 1861.

[BC Wench]

Found this on FMP

???
1851 Census: Plough Road, Pensnett
John Loach, Head.Mar, 45, Green Grocer, British Subject 1806
Mary Loach, Wife, 21, Wellington, Salop 1830
John Loach, Son, 10, 1841
Mary Loach, Dau, 7 1844
Sharratt Loach, Dau, 5 1846
Sarah Loach, Dau, 1 1850
Edward Loach, Lodger.Mar, 52, Brick Maker, Chaddesley Corbett 1799
Eliza Loach, Lodgers Wife, 50, Sedgley 1801
(Others born Sedgley)

No Eliza as wife though.

On Ancestry they are listed as LEECH

[Jimmy]

1881. Grocers Shop, Kingswinford.
John Loach 39. Grocer. Commonside, Kingd.
Emily Loach 38. Buckpool, Kingd
William Ward 68. Father in law. Bilston.
Eliza Loach 73. Mother. Widow. Gornal Wood.
Frederick Loach 10. Son. Buckpool.

1871. Kingswinford.
John Baker 26. Miner. Kingswinford.
Sarah Baker 27. Sedgley.
Pheobe Baker 1. Sedgley.
Joseph Baker 5 Months. Sedgley.
Eliza Loach 58. Grandmother. Widow. Sedgley.



West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1871.
BAKER John. LOACH Sarah. Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office.. 003/009/378.

[maryann]

Yes I looked at the 1851 with John & Mary but couldn't find a marriage for that one either. Also Mary's a lot younger than John. I also had checked out the 1871 census with Eliza Loach age 58, but that would have made Eliza a grandmother at age 31? Could be a mistake on census. I think to be on the safe side I should just add a John Loach with wife Elza Harvey-Clark as Charity's parents. This Eliza had siblings Samuel, Sarah, Charity and William and her mother's name was Charity. I best leave the John Loach & Eliza Harvey married 1835 (on BCC) as is. Maybe make a note on on the one I add as possible duplicate? Do you all think that would be ok??

[Jimmy]

1861. 4 Holloway Bank, West Bromwich.
Sarah Hodgkins 55. Widow. Shop Keeper. Tipton.
Sharratt Loach 14. Servant. Brierley Hill, Staffs.

[maryann]

Thanks Jimmy, it probably is Charity and by 1871 she married, and she states father deceased, but where is Eliza and younger sibling??

[Jimmy]

I have spent ages trying to find Eliza and other children in 1861 but can't see them.

[rockyfowler]

15 May 1871 St Mary Oldswinford
John BAKER 26 B Miner Amblecote Father Richard Baker Boat Man
Sarah Loach 23 S Amblecote Father John Loach Labourer
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Thomas Cozzell / Annie Coley

[Northern Lass]

Yes I looked at the 1851 with John & Mary but couldn't find a marriage for that one either. Also Mary's a lot younger than John. I also had checked out the 1871 census with Eliza Loach age 58, but that would have made Eliza a grandmother at age 31? Could be a mistake on census. I think to be on the safe side I should just add a John Loach with wife Elza Harvey-Clark as Charity's parents. This Eliza had siblings Samuel, Sarah, Charity and William and her mother's name was Charity. I best leave the John Loach & Eliza Harvey married 1835 (on BCC) as is. Maybe make a note on on the one I add as possible duplicate? Do you all think that would be ok??

I am going to add in a note and hyperlink Mary ann

will put on link when I am done

but there is something strange ....as I think that the census that Bc wench has found is John Loach snr...but with a young wife Mary!!
so either Eliza left him....or mistake on census

the green grocer seems to fit and also the kids fit.

but that marriage for sarah loach to a baker why isnt father JOhn loach down as green grocer

do we have a birth regis for me to send for for charity
I am intrigued as to fathers occup on that and mothers actual name
or are we sure it is Eliza Harvey.

but could you add the Charity as mother info pls mary ann to eliza.

also what is the bapt info for Charity re fathers occup....anyone have that pls.

[Northern Lass]

Links here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =158312720


and here

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =302565920

[maryann]

Thanks Jan, I'll tie in Charity's mother with dates & siblings. The look up RF did for Sarah Loach to John baker, I think this is the Sarah Loach already on BCC dau of John & Eliza Harvey, shown b. 1844, he was a labourer. Problem being the 1871 census shows Sarah & John Baker with 2 children 1 yr old & 5 mos. They weren't married until MAY, 1871. This gets even better as there were 5 Eliza Harveys born between 1811 and 1815.