Fudge - Dudley, Tipton & Sedgley.--awaiting birth info

[markfudge]

Hello All

I'm new to the forum and looking for advice or pointers to unravel a set of conundrums I find myself with.

I'm a descendant of William Fudge 1808-1891 through his son William 1835(?)-1866. All records, for William Fudge jnr seem to indicate that he was born in 1835 (census and his death cert.) However, I can't find any baptisms for a William in or around 1835. However the 1841 census (Harts Hill) records one William aged 8 (1833) with a William and Eliza Fudge - there is a burial record for Eliza Fudge 02 April 1848 (abode Harts Hill).

William Fudge snr moves to Stoke on Trent and they appear on a census together (1861 canning street) I can only assume that William snr returns to the Black Country after his sons death in 1866.

William Fudge snr marries Sarah Perry 24th February 1834 St Martin's Tipton. I think she then dies with a burial date of 10 June 1837 (St Martin's, Tipton). On the wedding record they are both describe as widow and widower. However, I can find no marriage record for a William Fudge in the locality other than his parents at Sedgley in 1803 (William Fudge and Sarah Jane Perry) - He also then marries Delilah Massey (11th June 1849 Rowley Regis) and has a number of children with him before dying in 1891.

Three main questions

1. Any ideas about the baptism for William Fudge jnr?
2. Any clue/record for a William Fudge marriage pre. 1834?
3. William Fudge snrs father married at Sedgley 1803 and I'm querying where he might have been before then - there is a William Fudge recorded in the 1841 census (Birmingham Street) aged 60 but originating in Worcestershire. I can find no baptisms for around this time for a William fudge in the locality. At some point this family name presumably moved from the South West.

Many thanks

[peterd]

here what we have on BCC

http://app1.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=378138


looking at his second marriage william 1806/08 father is a william too

Marriage St. Giles Rowley Regis 11/6/1849
William Fudge (wid) miner of Tividale father William Fudge Miner
Delilah Massey sp. father William Massey Miner
Witesses :- William Rathbone & Martha Dutton

[peterd]

bap


William Fudge
Christening 05 Jun 1808 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah

[peterd]

siblings


ODM


Mary Ann Fudge
Christening 28 Mar 1813 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah


Name Pharoah Fudge
Christening 29 May 1814 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah


Ann Fudge
Christening 16 Mar 1817 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah


Maria Fudge
Christening Date 01 Mar 1818 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah


Lavina Fudge
Christening 28 Nov 1819 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Willm. Fudge
Mother's Sarah

[peterd]

more siblings

Joice Fudge
Christening Date 07 Apr 1822 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Name Willm. Fudge
Mother's Name Sarah

Emanuel Fudge
Christening Date 18 May 1823 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Name William Fudge
Mother's Name Sarah

Sarah Fudge
Christening Date 14 Aug 1825 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,
Father's Name Willm. Fudge
Mother's Name Sarah

[peterd]

looks like Pharoah

1841 Harts hill, Dudley

Pharoah Fudge 25 coalminer
Maria Fudge 25
Sarah Fudge 5
Martha Fudge 1
y in c


william on previous page

[peterd]

poss sibling marriages

FUDGE Emanuel BAY Sarah 1845 Kingswinford, St Mary West Midlands Dudley Register Office 213/002/14

FUDGE * Lavinia MALPAS John 1844 Wordsley, Holy Trinity West Midlands Dudley Register Office 018/002/163
FUDGE * Lavinia MALPASS John 1844 Wordsley, Holy Trinity West Midlands Dudley Register Office 018/002/163

[peterd]

looks like william srn srn married a sarah perry too


ODM

William Fudge
Sarah Perry
Event Date 11 Sep 1803 Sedgley,Stafford,

[peterd]

wonder if this is william and sarah ?

1841, Round Oak, Kingswinford

William Fuge M 60-64 Iron miner
Sarah Fuge F 50-54
Isaac Fuge M 15-19 Iron miner
William Fuge M 15-19 Iron miner
N in C

issac and william could be gson not sons ?

[gardener]

There is also this one - is this who you call William jnr?

1861
3 Arthur St, Shelton, Hanley
William Fudge 26 miner coal Worcestershire Dudley
Sarah Fudge 28 Shropshire Coalport
Eliza Fudge 2 Stafford Hanley

1871
3 Arthur St, Shelton
Sarah Fudge 37 widow Salop Madeley
Elizah Fudge 11 dau Staffordshire Hanley
Thomas Dale 48 brother potters gilder Salop Madeley

Marriages Dec 1856
Bartlam John Stoke on T. 6b 302
DALE Sarah Stoke on T. 6b 302
Fudge William Stoke on T. 6b 302
Green Mary Stoke on T. 6b 302

[markfudge]

Thanks for the responses everyone. I'm thinking of trawling through the St Martin's Tipton registers and wonder if there are omissions or errors when searching the IGI database?

[peterd]

he might not of been baptised carnt remember when birth reg were made compulsory

[peterd]

IGI doesnt have them for 1835


bap mar
Tipton

C010092 1737-1812 E010091 1574-1736
C010093 1813-1827 M010091 1813-1837
-1837
P010091 1573-1736 M010092 1737-1812

[Northern Lass]

So ...just trying to get my head around this

we think Wm Fudge born 1806 ish baptn 1808 marries a Sarah Perry..Sarah Perry 24th February 1834 St Martin's Tipton. and then she maybe dies with a burial date of 10 June 1837 (St Martin's, Tipton) is this correct?

on that marriage is he a bach? or did you say he is a widow?

do we have that marriage anywhere pls

then is there a marriage for Wm fudge and an Eliza
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =104228247



also do you want me to add your username to Wm fudge snr and jnr Mark on Bcc?

[Northern Lass]

Free reg
Staffordshire
Place Tipton
Church name St Martin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 1442
Marriage date 24 Feb 1834
Groom forename William
Groom surname FUDGE
Groom condition widower
Groom abode Tipton
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname PERRY
Bride condition widow
Bride abode Tipton
Witness Thomas SMITH
Witness Thomas SHORTHOUSE
Register note Groom, bride and witness 1 sign X