*Archived pend look up!* Jerial Willetts

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Whilst inserting info on Jerial Willetts born 1811 I did some checking and found some points in dispute which need to be looked at :-
a) dumblonde has inserted details of parents of Jerial as being Edward Willetts born 1790 and Hannah Unknown
also inserted is Elizabeth Grove as wife of Jerial but Census record shows mother-in -law as Sarah Cooper
b) Researchers on Ancestry have Edward Willetts born 1772 marrying Ann Stevens born 1772 as parents of Jerial
c) Researchers on Ancestry have 1851 Census details showing Edwin Willetts born 1773 Powke Lane living with daughter Alice and son-in -law Edwin Adams ( I think Edwin Willetts is actually Edward on original)
1851 Census Gibbetts Lane Halesowen Worcs.
Name Age
Edwin Adams 38
Alice Adams 36
Edwin Willetts 78
Benjamin Adams 14
Thos Adams 12
Jane Adams 10
Ann Adams 8
Mathias Adams 4
Edwin Adams 1
d) Alice ties up with siblings of Jerial noted on Ancestry :-
Edward Willetts born 1772 married Ann Stevens born 1772
Children
Samuel 1796
William 1798
Elizophim 1799
Daniel 1802
Elisha 1804
Ann 1809
Jeriel 1811
Kerenapuch 1813
Alice 1815 to 1890
Mark 1816
Can someone look at this and advise or come up with validation

[peterd]

dumblondes seems to be correct with marriage

extracted

JERIAL WILLETTS
ELIZABETH GROVE
Marriage: 18 AUG 1833 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester


any one find this marriage

Grove, Sarah
Cooper, James
07 Aug 1836 St Johns, Halesowen

must of been a look up by some one as not on igi

also in notes

Added by Dumblonde

Sarah was a spinster when she got married, John Cooper her husband was a widower


also in notes for elizabeth birth

There was no father on birth cert

[peterd]

extracted

JERIEL WILLETTS
Christening: 10 FEB 1811 Cradley, Worcester,

Father: EDWARD WILLETTS
Mother: HANNAH


looks like edward and hannah unknown are the parents so ancestry wrong ?



there a ann as sibling with edward and hannah

ANN WILLETTS
Christening: 24 DEC 1809 Cradley, Worcester,



and 4 others with edward and ann poss ? no alice though ?

[peterd]

cannot find a alice willetts c 1800 - 1825 father edwin or edward on igi ?

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Thanks peterd,
dumblonde looks correct on first part ref. Grove and Cooper.
Hannah and Ann could be same person.
Alice is on 1851 Census
with Edwin/Edward but cannot find 1841 Census for Adams family or Edward Willetts

[linell]

[quote="peterd"]dumblondes seems to be correct with marriage

any one find this marriage

Grove, Sarah
Cooper, James
07 Aug 1836 St Johns, Halesowen

must of been a look up by some one as not on igi

also in notes

Added by Dumblonde

Sarah was a spinster when she got married, John Cooper her husband was a widower

I checked the Marriage Peter, as you have above, Witnesses were James and Sarah Cooper. Linell.

[mumbles]

Found 1841 Census for Edward Willetts and Edwin Adams:-
New St. Rowley Regis
Edward Willitts 65 Nail Maker
Edwin Addams 25
Alice Addams 25
Benjamin Addams 4
Thomas Addams 2
All born Staffs.

[peterd]

here your marriage

EDWIN ADAMS
ALICE WILLETTS
Marriage: 23 JUL 1833 Halesowen, Worcester,


but it still doesnt confirm that edward willetts father of alice is the same edward father of jerial ?

[mumbles]

Thanks peterd,
The 1841 Census does confirm no Edwin Willetts involved as 1851 is mistranscription and should be Edward Willetts ( People on Ancestry have used Edwin version.
I agree the problem is that dumblonde has Edward Willetts born 1790 and Hannah as Wife and Ancestry members have Edward and wrongly Edwin born 1772/1773 and a lot of children. The Ancestry members are direct descendants of Jerial Willetts but I have not received any valdation of their records before Jerial.
Has dumblonde any validation of her dob for Edward and validation ref. his wife ?
I cannot add anything about Adams family or family prior to Jerial unless we can resolve

[Northern Lass]

Thanks peterd,
The 1841 Census does confirm no Edwin Willetts involved as 1851 is mistranscription and should be Edward Willetts ( People on Ancestry have used Edwin version.
I agree the problem is that dumblonde has Edward Willetts born 1790 and Hannah as Wife and Ancestry members have Edward and wrongly Edwin born 1772/1773 and a lot of children. The Ancestry members are direct descendants of Jerial Willetts but I have not received any valdation of their records before Jerial.
Has dumblonde any validation of her dob for Edward and validation ref. his wife ?
I cannot add anything about Adams family or family prior to Jerial unless we can resolve

Mumbles that marriage for Jerial Willetts and Elizabeth Grove looks good to me.
Esp with info on mother in law on census.

Dob looks good re census and bapt for 1811 to me

marriages might be good for witness info?

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Found Edward Willetts baptised Rowley 29/11/1772 son of William and Elizabeth Willetts
Ancestry members have parents of Edward as William Willetts 1745 to 1821 and Elizabeth Nichols 1746 to 1808
I agree dumblonde has right details ref. marriage to Elizabeth Grove but has she just estimated dob of Edward Willetts ref. Jerial's birth date 1811

[Northern Lass]

looks like a Hannah Stevens and Ann Stevens both marrying an Edward hence bapts

EDWARD WILLETTS
Marriages:
Spouse: ANN STEEVENS
Marriage: 13 JAN 1794 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, Messages:
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so this could be an earlier Edward?

and

EDWARD WILLETTS
Marriages:
Spouse: HANNAH STEVENS
Marriage: 05 FEB 1809 Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
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that would fit with the 2 on IGI for Edward and Hannah ie Jerial and Ann b 1811 and 1809
so an est dob for Edward is 1789 ish

and the other bapts are for Edward and Ann married in 1794 ...so est dob 1770

[Northern Lass]

Now is this the same Edward? or do we have 2...

did he marry one sister then another
or one cousin and another

[Northern Lass]

now the other bapts are interesting as we have I think Elisha on the Connections already!!

But!!
we dont have any parents for him!
but one of his kids is called Edward

here is the bapt
ELISHA WILLETTS
Christening: 09 DEC 1804 Cradley, Worcester, England

Parents:
Father: EDWARD WILLETTS Family
Mother: ANN
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I think it is possibly the same Edward
we need a marriage look up on the second marriage see if it is Widower

then dau Ann is called Ann as mark of respect after first wife and Hannah Stevens sister/cousin rellie

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Nl,
I think you are getting somewhere as one descendant on Ancestry has listed children of Edward & Ann twice. Once as Ann's children and again all as Half siblings to another unknown wife ( all except Edward Willetts born 1801)