William Tolley b ? father of Mark Tolley b 1873 NL adding

[Northern Lass]

Can we find dob of Wm Tolley pls he maybe on bcc and we can connect up
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =217609539

[SteveT]

NL, the date I have (although unconfirmed) is 1822, born Upton Warren Worcs.

I also posted the info below on the brick wall you so kindly helped me with:

I have the 1881 info where William is married to Mary who I believe to be Mary Dawes (wife number 3), I believe his first wife was Elizabeth Keen (1821-1868) who is the mother of Ellen and Sarah (b 1855 and 1857 respectively). I believe it is Emma Hollis 1844 - 1877 (wife number 2) that is the mother of Mark and Benj, that is if my research is correct.

Steve

[Northern Lass]

Thanks Steve got some queries on this one now...so added in notes here what we have.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =303777203

So do you have the Birth certif for Mark Tolley which will have mothers name on?

also how do we know he marries an Elizabeth Keen in 1845....as there are other names on that one too

Bromsgrove ....could that be Quinton or Clent if so would then be on Ancestry ....cant remember where quinton is shown..

then we can check that marriage...

the other 3 look like Wm Tolley father fits....shoe maker

So Elizabeth Hollies marries Wm in 1854

does he marry anothe Elizabeth prev?

[gardener]

Dinah Tolley

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening:
10 October 1847
STOKE PRIOR, WORCESTER, ENGLAND

father:
William Tolley
mother:
Elizabeth

Elizabeth Tolley

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening:
20 November 1851
STOKE PRIOR, WORCESTER, ENGLAND

father:
William Tolley
mother:
Elizabeth

Emma Tolley

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening:
9 September 1850
STOKE PRIOR, WORCESTER, ENGLAND
death:
12 September 1850

father:
William Tolley
mother:
Elizabeth


and baptisms?

Dinah Tolley

christening:
10 October 1847
STOKE PRIOR, WORCESTER, ENGLAND

father:
William Tolley
mother:
Elizabeth

Elizabeth Tolley

christening:
20 November 1851
STOKE PRIOR, WORCESTER, ENGLAND

father:
William Tolley
mother:
Elizabeth

Emma Tolley

christening:
9 September 1850
STOKE PRIOR, WORCESTER, ENGLAND
death:
12 September 1850

father:
William Tolley
mother:
Elizabeth


Does that fit?

[gardener]

From other thread

1861. Eagle Lane, Tipton.
William Tolley 39. Labourer. Upton Warren, Worcs.
Elizabeth Tolley 39.
Benjamin Hollis 12. Son.
Dina Tolley 13. Dau. Stoke, Worcs
Lousia Tolley 5. Dau.
Sarah L Tolley 4 Dau.
Allice Tolley 8/12. Dau.

Others born Tipton.

[gardener]

1851
Stoke Prior
William Tolley 29 farm labourer Upton
Elizabeth Tolley 26 Kings Norton[?]
Ann Tolley 5 Tardebigg
Dinna Tolley 3 Stoke Prior

[Northern Lass]

Thanks so looks like he marries 4 times not 3

Steve you around do you have the birth certif for your Mark?

I have contacted the Hive at worcs ....just got an auto response and think their charges are same as sending for certif.

would need certif to be sure but it does look like he marries an Elizabeth Keen too

she dies ...........do we have a death date for these ladies?

so Elizabeth Keen death ???

Elizabeth Hollies death???
poss...
Deaths Sep 1868.
Tolley Elizabeth. 47. Dudley. 6c. 25.

Emma Hollies.............dau in law??? as asked prev does he marry dau in law.............and how is she dau in law........via marriage or via sons marr?
and where is her death date



footnote................might have persuaded Wolvie to drop in today as he is in Worcs................don't hold your breath though.

[SteveT]

Hi NL, sorry for the slow response but I've been a little busy.

I do have Marks birth certificate, but not the 1873 Mark, I have his son (my Gfather) 1899.

My supposition on the three possible marriages were only based on census and marriage records, not unfortunately certification. I traced William through his suspected marriages cemented by his offspring being on the same census as himself and his subsequent wives. I'm aware that these could be red herrings but because of the children I believe this tipped the balance of probability, Also, he was widowed prior to each of his marriages.

For some reason, I'm unable to access my tree on Ancestry as either they have a problem with their servers or my connection speed is too low at the moment to give me access so I cannot get the info on the deaths.

[SteveT]

Finally managed to access my tree:

Elizabeth Keen b1821 d1868
Daughter Ellen b1855
Daughter Sarah b1857

Emma Hollies b1844 d1877
Son Benj b1870
Son Mark b1873

Mary Dawes (Davies?) b1837 d 1896
No children with william/

Hope this makes sense

Steve

[gardener]

Emma Hollies.............dau in law??? as asked prev does he marry dau in law.............and how is she dau in law........via marriage or via sons marr?

Isn't she his step-daughter?

1851
Eagle Lane, Tipton
Elizabeth Foster 70 wid
Joseph Foster 25 unm labourer in iron works
Elizabeth Hollis 30 unm washerwoman
Benjamin Hollis 8 gson
Emma Hollis 3 gdau
Elizabeth Brown 7 gdau
all born Tipton


1841
New Road, Tipton
Elizh Hollis 55
John Hollis 20
Elizh Hollis 20
---
Joseph Foster 15
all in born county

[Northern Lass]

Wolvie went to worcs...............shut when he arrived.........or the help desk was so couldn access

anyone going to worcs and could look up that Keen marriage?


Steve does look like Emma hollis is mother to Mark ...birth certif would prove but costs.

And does look like he marries an Elizabeth Keen our Wm Tolley...but again need that marriage certif.


So do we think that Emma Hollies who marries in 1875 is dau of Elizabeth Hollies that Wm marries in 1854?

And how is Mark Tolley born in 1873 regis.........as born before parents married
so is he regis as a Hollies?

still need deaths pls anyone on free reg or wherever so I can verify and add to Bcc.

[Northern Lass]

1873
TOLLEY Mark Tipton Sandwell Register Office TIP/90/123

[Northern Lass]

moving to arc.