ARC TBC Thomas Longmore--

[Northern Lass]

14 May 1849 Holy Trinity Wordsley
John LONGMORE F B Roller Buckpool Father Thomas Longmore Iron Tester
Keziah TROW F S Buckpool Father John Trow, Wheelwright
After Banns The X Of John Keziah Signed
Wit; Edward Fellows / Sarah Tipper X

thanks RF

can we add this as a son of Thomas Longmore ?

can someone post the 1841 is there a John in the family on 1841?

shame to waste look up

[grangers14]

1841. Brierley Hill, Kingswinford
Thomas Longmore, 43, Forge man, Not born in County
Mary, 45,
John, 20, Forge man,
Thomas, 15, Forge man
Hannah, 10,
All others born in County

[BlueSavannah]

I feel that this John is likely to be the same John who is the son of Thomas in 1841. I've managed to follow him and Keziah up their deaths in Rotherham in 1885. Ages seem a little eratic but they all point to being the same John who was born in 1820. His birth place is consistently given as Tipton. I found a baptism at Dudley for John in 1823. Did people born in Tipton usually get baptised at Dudley? I thought Tipton had its own churches? (apologies for my lack of local knowledge).

The fact that John ended up in Rotherham by 1881 and dying there is what is making me think that it is the right man as Hannah moved up north too but she went to Barnsley then Sheffield. The occupations of both John & his father Thomas on the marriage are different to what they were in 1841 but I am not sure how different they are?

[linell]

Had a look in the Oldswinford Parish Registers, and found some entries for Longmore thought they may help:-

1720 Henry Longmore Apprenticed to Benjamin Patchett.
1727 Henry Longmore was an Overseer for Parish
1765 Gerald Longmore was a Church Warden

The Stafford Directory for Brierley Hill 1818 Lists a John Longmore Farmer.

All these places, Brierley Hill Old Swinford Kingswinford all run into each other. The Worcs/Staffs Boarder runs through that area. And regarding Tipton folk Marrying in Dudley, absolutely all the time. Hope this helps.

[BlueSavannah]

Hi Linnell,

Many thanks for the information. I've made a note of it all and hope it will eventually fit in somewhere

I've just found John's baptism on Freereg (I am sure it wasn't there last time I looked lol) and it does indeed say son of Thomas & Mary Longmore of Tipton! So I am not sure that the marriage that was found earlier in thread is correct and John Longmore is the son of my Thomas and brother to my Hannah.

I've found a newspaper article from 1844 which details a Thomas Longmore living in Brierley Hill who was charged with stealing a trowel. I am trying to work out if this is my Thomas or his son Thomas born 1823.

I would love to find the right deaths for my Thomas & Mary.

[Northern Lass]

will add on Bcc as a possible that John as son of thomas .....but could be another one.


Where is Buckpool though.... thought that was Kingswinford area

if so looks good for that marriage being the son of Thomas Longmore on bcc.
maybe he was born Tipton...but lived k.winford area

do we have Thomas Longmore in 1851 etc?

[BlueSavannah]

This is John & Kezia after their 1849 marriage:

1851: Cradley Heath, Rowley Regis, Staffs
John Longmore – Head – 30 – Millman Iron Works – b Tipton
Kazia – Wife – 25 – b Rowley
William - Son - 1 -b Rowley (This child is actually called Thomas William)

1861: Salop Row, 1 Back Houses, Bilston, Staffs
John Longmore – Head – 40 – Roler of Iron – b Tipton
Keziah – Wife – 34 – b Rowley Regis
Thos Wm - Son - 11 - Scholar - b Rowley Regis
Joseph – Son – 7 – Scholar – b Brockmoor, Kingswinford
Sarah M – Dau – 1 – b Tipton

1871 Census: 155 Dudley Road, Tipton
John Longmore – Head – 47 – Roller – b Tipton
Keziah – Wife – 44 – b Rowley
Sarah M – Dau – 12 – b Tipton
Mary E – Dau – b Millwall, London
Charles – Son -5 – b Smethick, Warks

1881 Census: 8 Rawmarsh Road, Greasbrough (Parkgate) Rotherham
John Longmore – Head – 62 – No Occ – b Tipton, Staffs (Blind)
Keziah – Wife – 52 – Dress Maker – b Cradley Heath
Sarah Maria – Dau – U – 22 – Servant Dom – b Tipton
Charles – Son – 15 – Scholar – b Warwickshire
+ 1 x Lodger

Both John & Keziah died in 1885 and are buried at Rawmarsh High Street Muncipal Cemetery (Rotherham).

The baptism I found for John Longmore at Dudley St Thomas on Familysearch is also on FreeReg and it says that he is the son of Thomas, Forge Man, & Mary of Tipton.

I Googled Buckpool as I hadn't heard of it either and it just brings up a nature reserve that is is very near Brierly Hill/Brockmoor that area and that is exactly where he was living with his family.

[rockyfowler]

Was known as Bugpool Wordsley on older maps

[Northern Lass]

so that John could be son of Thomas as he puts Buckpool nr wordsley on mariage
maybe he was born Tipton ....

[BlueSavannah]

John was born in Tipton, it says so on his baptism at St Thomas, Dudley. I hadn't realised the baptism had been added to FreeReg since I had last checked. My Hannah's baptism at the same place stated that the family were living in Rowley at the time.

I think i've just found the proof that John who married Keziah is indeed the son of Thomas and Hannah's brother. I've just been looking at their son Charles born 1866 and just found him on the 1891 census living at Coalbrook Crescent in Woodhouse Mill (Sheffield). This is exactly the same street that my Hannah was living on this census.

Its lovely to actually have some final proof of what became of one of Hannah's siblings but nothing helps me unfortunately with who Thomas & Mary Longmore were and when they died. Still trying to dig away

[gardener]

I think this looks likely for Mary's burial

FreeReg Burial entry on 29 Sep 2015
County Staffordshire
Place Brierley Hill
Church name St Michael
Register type
Register entry number 1211
Burial date 21 Sep 1847
Person age 54
Burial person forename Mary
Burial person surname LONGMORE
Burial person abode Moor lane

The age is right, and if you look at the enumerator's blurb for the 1841 census (Kingswinford district 22) it says:

All the left hand side of Turnpike Road from turners near chapel gard Brierley Hill to the Horse Shoe Inn thence comprising road at back too Moor Lane, as far as the road that leads to Brockmoor ...


So Moor Lane would fit OK for location.

As for Thomas, he is not given as deceased on either of the marriage certificates is he? So died after May 1849?

[BlueSavannah]

Hi Gardner,

I think you are right about the burial. Based on it, i've just ordered Mary's death cert. Hopefully it will say either 'The wife' or 'The widow' of Thomas Longmore to give us an idea if he's still alive, although I believe he probably is due to two of his children not mentioning him being deceased.

[gardener]

There is a marriage in 1813 in Sedgley of a Thomas Longmore to Mary Baker which is also a possible.

I think that may well be the right marriage.

This was the 1841
Brierley Hill, Kingswinford
Thomas Longmore, 43, Forge man, Not born in County
Mary, 45,
John, 20, Forge man,
Thomas, 15, Forge man
Hannah, 10,
All others born in County


These look possible baptisms I think (IGI submitted)

Hannah Longmore
20 August 1826
SAINT THOMAS, DUDLEY, WORCESTER, ENGLAND

Thomas Longmore
3 August 1823
SAINT THOMAS, DUDLEY, WORCESTER, ENGLAND


John Longmore
10 December 1820
SAINT THOMAS, DUDLEY, WORCESTER, ENGLAND


Willm. Longmore
christening:
16 March 1817
SAINT THOMAS, DUDLEY, WORCESTER, ENGLAND

Tabitha Longmore
23 October 1814
SAINT THOMAS, DUDLEY, WORCESTER, ENGLAND

Tabitha's marriage?

Name: Tabitha Longmore
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 27 Nov 1836
Marriage Place: Sedgley,Stafford,England
Spouse: Isaiah Baker
witnesses Cornelias Baker and Rebecca Jones (off FreeReg)

1841
Rocks hill, Kingswinford
Isaiah Baker 30 blacksmith
Tabitha Baker 20
Isaiah Baker 3
Sarah Baker 1
all born in county

1851
Isaiah Baker 43 coal miner Kingswinford
Tibera Baker 37 Tipton
Isaiah Baker 13 Kingswinford
Sarah A Baker 11 Rowley Regis
Esther Baker 9 Kingswinford
James Baker 6 ditto
Ann Baker 4 ditto
Mary Baker 3 ditto


burial?
Place Brierley Hill
Church name St Michael
Register type
Register entry number 2385
Burial date 29 Sep 1853
Person age 39
Burial person forename Tabitha
Burial person surname BAKER
Burial person abode Cradley Heath



William? witha daughter named after his sister?

1851
Kingswinford
William Andrews 55 wid
Mary Ann Longmore 28
William Longmore 32 son in law mill?? iron works Tipton
Mary Longmore 5
Agness Longmore 3
Tobiabtha Longmore 4 Days
Mary Allen 13 servant


1861
Kingswinford
William Longmore 46 forge roller Tipton
Pheobe Longmore 34
Mary Longmore 15
Agnes Longmore 13
Tobitha Longmore 11
Mary Bgthaway 13
Meriah Bithaway 9
Eliza Longmore 6
William Longmore 4
Elizabeth Longmore 2


2nd marriage?
Name: William Longmore
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 18 Mar 1854
Marriage Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Spouse: Phoebe Bytheway Or Guest

I'm sure someone will look that up to check the father. There is a another William with a different father, baptised at Tipton so we do need this marriage checking (or the first marriage)

[gardener]

Tabitha is here already I think

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=351275

is it good enough to connect?

[gardener]

first marriage for William?

1845
LONGMORE William HAYSE Mary A Wordsley, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 018/002/262

1842
ANDREW Mary A HAYES Thomas Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/2/266