ARC TBC Dissapearence? RESOLVED

SteveT · Post by **SteveT** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:03 pm

I've ordered the birth certificate for Mark but not received it yet, I'm pretty much a novice at this, can you get marriage certificates? If so Sarah's parents should be on there.

Steve

Northern Lass · Post by **Northern Lass** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:04 pm

SteveT wrote:I've ordered the birth certificate for Mark but not received it yet, I'm pretty much a novice at this, can you get marriage certificates? If so Sarah's parents should be on there.

Steve

You get the father on the marriage but hold on ordering that I may have notes on it on some of my look ups.

you wont get the mothers name on marriage certif.

:wink:

ps you can look up quite a few of marriages at archives so always best to ask if you need help on look ups we have a section let me know if you need guiding with that. we have to post in there in a particular way.

It gets expensive ordering so look ups at archives and online info is brilliant and those that transcribe are marvellous :grin:

Northern Lass · Post by **Northern Lass** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:10 pm

GARDENER!!

COZ needs your help!!

John Walker and Elizabeth on census with niece...............cant link in that marriage in 1876 looks wrong
do you think that John Walker on 1881 is son of Emma Landers and Samuel Walker which would fit with Sarah Ann Brookes being neice as
John Walker and Elizabeth Chrimes are kids of emma and step bro and sis

that is the only thing I can think....and that that marriage is not the right couple in 1876 as the age is way out

gardener · Post by **gardener** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:54 pm

this is the 1876 at St Martin Tipton for a Joseph Walker and Elizabeth Davies...no idea if correct marriage ages are too out for me and occup wrong..Typo?
so think wrong marriage...
10 sept 1876 St Martin Tipton
John Walker 22 bach ironworker Tipton William Walker Iron worker
Elizabeth Davis 21 spinster Tipton George Davis labourer
banns
both sign
wit John Pool? X sarah Ann Pool

I agree, it doen't quite work out. Though the occupation is Ok because a shingler is something in the ironworks.

do you think that John Walker on 1881 is son of Emma Landers and Samuel Walker which would fit with Sarah Ann Brookes being neice as
John Walker and Elizabeth Chrimes are kids of emma and step bro and sis

Maybe. You mean John Walker married Elizabeth Unknown?
Or it could just be a misleading entry. With Sarah A Brooks being niece of Harry and Sarah Davies, rather than the head of household?

gardener · Post by **gardener** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:01 pm

Thanks for your help you lovely people, Sarah gave birth to my Grandfather Mark in 1899, she married my GGrandfather (also Mark) in 1902. They had two other children William (1903) and Elizabeth (1907), she died about November 1908. Elizabeth married Horace Parker (b1905) in 1929; I have no further info yet on William.

Well, if NL's questions about the Tolley connection are correct, then I think this whole thing has been an entertaining red herring.

1911
43 Ball Fields, Tipton, Staffordshire
Mark Tolley 38 wid
Mark Tolley 11
William Tolley 8
Eliza Tolley 4
all born Tipton

1901
270 York Building, West Brom
Thomas Brooks 62 Iron puddler West Brom
Eliza Brooks 61 Dudley
William T Brooks 20 packer galvanized sheets West Brom
Sarah Brooks 24 dau s West Brom
Mark T Brooks grandson 2 West Brom

1891
31 Horton St, West Brom
Thomas Brooks 50 puddler (iron) West Brom
Eliza Brooks 49 Worcs, Dudley
Sarah Brooks dau 14 West Brom
William T Brooks son 10 scholar West Brom

1881
25 Horton Street, West Brom
Thomas Brookes 40 iron worker, West Brom
Eliza Brookes 39 Worcs, Dudley
S. John Brookes son 16 Farm boy West Brom
Elizabeth Brookes dau scholar ditto
Sarah Brookes dau 4 ditto ditto
William Thomas Brookes son 5mo ditto

SteveT · Post by **SteveT** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:24 pm

Thanks Gardener, I can confirm the Ballfields connection as we lived there until I was 6 and my GFather (Mark b1899) lived next door to us.

Are we sure of the Thomas and Eliza Brookes are the right one's for Sarah? I do hope so as I've had a hewadache all afternoon.

Many thanks to all that bothered to help me out, it is very much appreciated.

Steve

gardener · Post by **gardener** » Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:40 pm

Northern Lass posted this

1902 BROOKES Sarah TOLLEY Mark Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/17/221

If you request a lookup for that marriage then it should give Sarah's father's name and occupation. You really need that to be certain of anything :-)

I will add the details to the censuses above, but they seem to be OK.

Northern Lass · Post by **Northern Lass** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:12 am

Ok so what we now think is that the Sarah Brookes has father Thomas?
I will disconnect Sarah from Edward.....

Steve you need to get to Sandwell archives and look up that 1902 marriage for Sarah and Mark Tolley see who father is
or you can order a certif .....free at archives to look up
can you let us know when you get the full info pls

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =131472535

Gardener...the other stuff on Bcc can still be ok?
just we don't know who that Sarah Ann Brookes with John and Elizabeth Walker belongs to?
should I slot her into being dau of Edward Brookes or leave off?

Steves is obviously another one ...........a Sarah Brookes not Sarah Ann.

gardener · Post by **gardener** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:31 pm

Northern Lass wrote:Gardener...the other stuff on Bcc can still be ok?
just we don't know who that Sarah Ann Brookes with John and Elizabeth Walker belongs to?
should I slot her into being dau of Edward Brookes or leave off?

Just leave her off I think. the stuff is all on here, and if she pops up later in a marriage certificate then she can be added. OK?

Jimmy · Post by **Jimmy** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:33 pm

Northern Lass wrote:1851 found her at leabrook wednesbury wid with lodger George Landers with her aged 14?
difficult to read....very feint

so think she is a Landers

can anyone find a bapt for her pls

1851. Wednesbury Road, Lee Bank, Tipton.
Emma Walker 23. Widow. Tipton.
John Walker 6. Son. Tipton.
Samuel Walker 3. Son. Tipton.
George Sanders 14. Lodger.
William Homer 46. Lodger.
Hannah Homer 44. Lodger.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1845.
WALKER Samuel. LANDERS Emma. Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box). Sandwell Register Office. 39/3/375.

Jimmy · Post by **Jimmy** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:35 pm

Staffordshire.
Place Tipton.
Church name St Martin.
Register entry number 3342.
Baptism date 16 Aug 1829.
Person forename Emma.
Person sex F.
Person abode Gospel Oak.
Father occupation Servant.
Mother forename Hannah
Mother surname LANDERS.
Notes Illegitimate.

Jimmy · Post by **Jimmy** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 6:38 pm

1841. Lea Brook, Tipton.
Mary Landers 50.
John S Landers 25.
William Landers 25.
Benjaman Landers 18.
Emma Landers 11.

All b.i.c.

Jimmy · Post by **Jimmy** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:30 pm

Poss,

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1838.
LANDERS Hannah. VAUGHAN John. Dudley, St Thomas. Dudley Register Office. 204/002/46.

1841. Old Coppice, Tipton.
John Vaughn 35. n.b.i.c.
Hannah Vaughn 30.
George Sanders 4.

Northern Lass · Post by **Northern Lass** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:53 am

Thanks Jimmy

will do Gardener

Steve you gonna send for that certif? or look it up ?

:grin:

SteveT · Post by **SteveT** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:39 am

Will do NL, it will take a while as I'm very busy at present but I will get round to it.

Steve

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